If you're a Gen 3 owner, what do you do?

Woah woah woah, if you haven’t noticed, this and the other are the HYSTERIA threads. You will be hated for posting anything rational, even if you’re a gen 2 owner trying to help people calm down and stop embarrassing themselves.

You’re supposed to tell people who dumped their Tundra at a loss (note: with no sign of impending failure) for another new truck that they just made the best decision.

You can’t just come in here and post rational things that make actual sense. You drive a ticking time bomb and should be hyperventilating into a bag like everyone else.

 

Unfortunately that is now one of their worst motors under that there eco diesel. It had been over heating to point of failure and I’m doing motor replacements constantly. The issue is not really the problem it’s the fix, Stellantis will do anything and everything to deny warranty(even under 3 year 36). It’s insane to and quite frustrating for our customers. I can on and on but let’s say their best motor isn’t even their motor (cummins) lol

 

you forgot the part where they come on Tundras.com to post about their new Ford

 

ha ha! To which I am actually more partial to Ford then the others, I have owned several fords but Toyota has always been there for me.
“If you don’t recall he old slogan, “I love what you do for me, Toyota”

 

I can see how a risk management viewpoint could get someone to jump ship.

risk being probability times consequence.
Everyone’s risk matrix will look a bit different.

With the probability of a main bearing failure being somewhat low ( statistically) ; combined with the consequence of being stranded and having a repair that will take weeks or months, this scenario could really peg someone’s risk matrix.

someone can’t be without transportation for that long ( no spare vehicle and loaners not always available, or appropriate).

someone is in remote location and not close to a dealer.

someone who has major psychological hang ups with vehicle breakdowns ( I’m being respectful here… these people are out there)

someone who can’t tolerate having their new truck torn limb to limb ( I’d be in this camp).

maybe others…

this group I could see working on mitigating or eliminating this risk.

the other scenario that would peg someone’s risk matrix would be a growing recall campaign that could lead to major engine repair or replacement.

the same groups above would be involved.

a new group would be people who don’t want the hassle of taking a perfectly good running engine out for a recall.

Another group would be folks who are thinking “ what else is going to occur in this truck?” It is a catastrophic and unrecoverable loss of confidence.

the downside with this risk management process is you have to compare it to what else is out there, and in a rush errors can be made.

Look at the other oems. GMC, Chevrolet, ram, Nissan, ford.

jumping into one of these will put someone into a new realm of risk.

gm trucks have known lifter issues. Can you mitigate it with a disabler system? Yep. But it takes 1-2 model years for these systems to catch up and be ready. The lifters also will always have a higher probability of failure because of their design.

changing lifters usually requires removing the head.

this is still easier than a main bearing replacement which is compelling.

but what else is lurking out there… transmission issues, rear end issues, window leaks, vibration problems, and the ever present probability that a new manufacturing issue can prop up.

with Fords you will get to have the experience of swapping cam phasers out for rev 97 of this design. Valve spring issues, transmission issues, etc…

And on and on with the other oems.

the net change in risk may not be what you think it is.

could the other oems have an unprecedented improvement in reliability? Sure. Anything is possible. (I mean we are here wrapped up in drama over main bearing failures in a damn Toyota… who had this on their bingo card?)

I could see how folks would jump to another oem based on this.

it could be incentivized further if the other oems are putting features in that Toyota is not ( factory rock sliders… damn)

but I would put a lot of thought into the additional risks that is being signed up for.

i would also look heavily at finding a low mile older Tundra. Or evaluate if you even need a truck.

 

I don’t care who drives what. Plenty of people have moved on, mostly to HD trucks, and stayed on the forum. Good-natured ribbing and poking fun is fine.

Most people are here because they drive Tundras. They stay when moving to a different truck because this is the best truck forum on the internet. From the layout to thread topics (bikes, EVs, towing, hunting, knives, fishing, ATVs, superchargers, etc), nothing touches it.

If you’re here to constantly interject about your Ford or GM product, I’ve just decided to hit ignore and move on.

There are also those who are only here to stir up strife. I remember when a certain Cub’s hair was on fire regarding the missing transmission cooler on 19-21 Tundras. Same hyperbolic nonsense, twisting things he read and presenting a conclusion—that is in reality debatable at minimum, if not outright false—as unassailable fact. Just ignore.

 

100% agreed to that, everyone is in fact entitled to their own opinion and partial to one brand or another no question but this is a “tundra” forum where we come to discuss builds, ideas, trips and yes feedback on issues and how to resolve them.
I loved all 3 of my 5.7 tundras of course but I no longer own them so now I focus on what I have now. So far at 19k, towing big trailers and toys to taking 9 year olds to soccer practice I have had not a lick of problems and in my field of work that is a win!

 

Terndrerrr, no you're mistaken. You CAN come in here and post rational things that make sense. The problem is, you simply can't or are incapable? Again, please just for a few moments, put the keg size Kool-Aid barrel to the side for a minute and try and be rational...we are begging you, if you can. @dutch2112 believes that Toyota is doing something early on to get ahead of the game. However, that is not the truth. Simply put, Toyota issued a recall to cover their ass in case of a catastrophic incident with serious injury or loss of life. And, it only took them 2.5 years to issue the recall. Please, just for a moment try and be objective and read through the recall smoke screen. They call it a "safety recall" due to possible catastrophic failure. Yet, they have no idea what's failing and more importantly, they only issued it for non-hybrid specified '22-'23 units (what about those that own a post recall production '23-'24 that are failing)? Hmmmm....maybe Toyota still wants us to blindly keep purchasing these things, (me for one) knowing they are also at risk. Yeah, I know, the recall says hybrid motors can (not will) have limited motive power to help get to the side of the road. That purposeful pathetic statement is for excluding hybrids so they can continue to sell. Yep, Toyota sure cares about safety, right?

Now, for many of those trucks that failed, they had dealerships install a short block that guess what, induced repeated bearing failures due to debris....again! So, obviously the smoke screen recall which states "process changes were made to the engine cleaning at the Alabama plant". We know this is a blatant false statement as many failures (both hybrid and non-hybrid) have happened since the recall statement. Then, to add insult to injury, the president of Toyota himself bows in shame due to admittedly lying about certifications. Yet, those of you in denial and complete delusion believe the recall was Toyota caring about its customers?

I am confident your response will be surrounded by "many are driving trucks with no failure to date", or "that's what the warranty is for", or "Toyota will make it right, its Toyota after all". When do you let down your denial blind fold and actually decide to not accept mediocrity? I guess the safety part of the safety recall doesn't resonate because of the Kool-Aid drunken state of mind. Again, its astonishing.

 

**** also please anyone here for the love god to buy an “ev, hybrid” Stellantis product (4xe) as they don’t know s**t about building even a entry line hybrid without screwing up.

 

you’re right. I remember I was on here several years ago for my 14 tundra and there was a lot of 1st gen owners ragging on the 5.7 but it felt light hearted and funny. Now it’s just mass hysteria and toxic crap flinging

 

Again everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect how you feel, especially about the safety issue as I have 4 kids to think about it. But in this case I have seen way to much bs with other manufacturers from a close lens that I respectively disagree only cause one of my techs was involved in a roll over with the 10 speed in the expedition only to have ford give me a sweet “oh well” to both him and the customer even after I submitted to a ford safety channel. Now that’s utter disregard for safety only to release a flash on the 10 speed for a “fix” after that any many unreleased internal issues occurred injuring / killing people.

now that’s not to say Toyota is a giant company and wil find some rug sweeping for sure but I guess we will have to wait and see. In the meantime I have a camping trip this weekend to pull my new trailer and I am not afraid to tow it

 

A friend of mine just bought a hybrid wrangler rubicon on impulse. He didn’t even know it was a hybrid. He just thought it sounded quiet when driving it at first.

 

You better not be ignoring my threads about kat poop!

 

Good luck with that. There was a guy here had failure at 62k. Right before or after the powertrain warranty ended. He never came back to say Toyota honored the warranty.

 

I remember that post as well and was hoping for how it was handled. Then again we keep hearing our plumbing will go bad before these Tundras do.

 

good to know.

 

The only people whose posts I haven’t been seeing are in Colorado, Qatar, and Philly.

 

HA

 

Absolutely Dutch, and I really do respect everyone's opinion. Albeit I may not always agree with them and that is what makes this forum great. Yes, I may throw some kidney shots here and there, but it's never personal. I also don't mind kidney shots being thrown and welcome them with open arms

Ultimately, I am disheartened by the deterioration of not only our country, but the level of mediocrity that exists and unfortunate social acceptance of poorly built and disgusting QC with many products, not just automobiles. Sure, nothing is perfect, but the Toyota I used to know and came to admire which led me to my current Tundra is dead and buried IMHO. I understand that many people on this forum are still very loyal to the brand and nobody wants to feel their major vehicle purchase is flawed. However, being completely objective, the 3rd gen platform has been and continues to be a disaster IMHO. Simply taking a look at the track history of failures, recalls, issues from '22 until now is extremely concerning. The recent safety recall is simply insult to injury, including the absence of safety and financial impacts.

Translating the safety recall is validation for me personally that Toyota is longer a company of good moral character and does not have my family's best interest in mind. I have outlined many hypocritical excerpts that many on the forum choose to defend or ignore. That's fine of course, and I don't mind engaging in constructive conversations with those that drink the Kool-Aid.

 

One of the few things I have left that I thought might be helpful is humor. If I can’t laugh at myself then that’s not good. One thing though, some of my past posts are starting to look like bad Karma. Maybe more than some.

https://www.tundras.com/threads/my-2024-trd-pro-disappointing-experience.141661/#post-3564015

 

I sure can agree with that entire first portion of your statement! I been quite frankly embarrassed of our country and what has happened in the last few years plus yes qc across the board from appliances to cars has falling to below my expectations. Toyota does need to do some revamping and focus on this 3rd generation to maintain top choice for brand reliability for me to even stay loyal.

 

Whoa, wait a minute. Someone that actually has domain experience says relax?

FWIW, when my Ford was going sideways I took the service manager and team donuts a couple of times a week. I felt bad for them trying to troubleshoot an electronic issue without adequate support.
When I got my buyback check from the GM of the dealership he said "hey, you're the guy that bought everyone Dunkin'". So there's that.

 

I've got a 392 Jeep Wrangler, I think that's the best engine option for the jeep. Would you agree? It awesome, plan to keep the beast forever.

 

I never said you or anyone else on this forum does not have a right to discuss what you traded for. However, my response to another member about him being a Ford diehard was based on my personal experience with my '22 Ford Craptor. As I stated, it had much worse QC than the 3rd gen Tundra which IMHO is a pretty impressive accomplishment. I wanted to like the Raptor, but it spent more time in the service bay than my driveway. Also, as I previously stated, I owned a '23 AT4X that was problem free and had no issues with probably the best built quality of any truck I have purchased in the last 5 years. GM is not perfect but has come a long way. Admittedly, I was not crazy about the 6.2L as people are still reporting lifter issues. However, it never gave me any problems during my short ownership experience.

Respectfully, Ford has more vehicles at the top of the worst QC ratings than any other manufacturer. Therefore, if you are in a Tundra forum thinking that I am the only person who is going to dislike the brand you chose to leave Toyota for, then you may be in for a big surprise. For what it's worth, I do hope you have many trouble-free miles from the F150. Like you, I am proactively in the process of trading/selling my very new '24 TRD Pro.

 

freaking love the 392!!! Sounds like a bad ass machine too and I rarely work on them

 

Ha ha good work man, that probably made their day as our job kinda blows at times as all we want to do is take care of the customer and when quality, support from “engineering” and overall care from the manufacturer isn’t there - we are the a holes.

 

You're really not though, you're just at what I've always called "the face of commerce". I'm not giving anyone a pass but the guy going off on the service guy usually doesn't understand how things get done and what the motivations are. I do not grant the same latitude to the sales manager, business office or GM. They exist to extract every dollar from you.

 

You show up to dunk on Tundras on a Tundra forum you deserve to have your F150 get dunked on. Why would you expect anything else?

 

If there’s nothing wrong with your truck and you traded it at a loss anyway, you dunked on yourself.