Hybrid mpg

Everyone talking about the HP and TQ performance of the hybrid, isn't rendered useless beyond 18 mph?

 

Thats just for EV Only Mode, above 18mph itll still kick in when required to fill in the gaps or assist in the power band.

 

You can cruise in electric above 18 mph. Just not very far. 1/2 a mile at 35 mph maybe.

 

Depends on how much you're paying per gallon.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...GSfBkJ7Vu3RfhEr9ATm30l_yKFzKMb-lZ8gBYYwN2-csg

 

I was very interested in the i-Force Max as my truck is my daily commuter, running kids to sports etc. and would like some better fuel economy if possible. I tow a 5k-6k lb. boat in the summer fairly often and with the new turbo charged engine or hybrid setup I fully expected V8 fuel economy while towing...no problem. However I wanted the investment, added cost of the hybrid, to make some financial sense (payback of 5-6 years max).

To put it another way, if the markup from the i-Force (19 mpg combined for 4x4) to the i-Force Max (21 mpg combined for 4x4) is $3,400 and you average 15,000 miles a year:

Gas at $3.00 a gallon = payback is 15.07 years
Gas at $3.50 a gallon = payback is 12.92 years
Gas at $4.00 a gallon = payback is 11.31 years
Gas at $4.50 a gallon = payback is 10.05 years

and the above payback period does not take into account the time value of money , which would make the payback duration even longer!

I know Mike Sweers has stated that the hybrid is designed for more capability however towing capacity didn't really increase either. I have had great experiences with the Toyotas I have owned, awesome reliability. I was really interested in the hybrid option however I believe they missed the mark with this hybrid and it's disappointing. I will be looking to purchase a non hybrid Tundra.

 

I average 24K a year, so I will just break even. But, I have a company van right now and just going to opt in getting the Sequoia Off Road.

 

Refer to post #277
The point is regardless of price per gallon....it's not worth it!!

 

Hybrid seems to have only been built to give a bump in torque due to the downsize of V8 to V6.

They could of went with lighter battery tech with more capacity, achieving on par numbers or even industry leading numbers. But true to Toyota's business model, they went BASIC build with minimal functionality.

 

The 2019 RAV4 Hybrid uses a NIMH battery, the 2020+ uses LiON with no MPG change. It’ll take a lot more than a lighter battery.

 

Not if you are looking for fuel savings.

However, if your priority is extra power, it very well may be.

I have a 2015 Lexus GS450h F-Sport which is a hybrid version of a GS350. That hybrid addition also was designed for performance and it does not disappoint. Instantaneous torque with zero hesitation and lightning acceleration from ANY speed. If this Tundra is anywhere 1/2 as good with that, to be used as my daily business truck plus those occasional road trips too (many times pulling the boat), I'm in at $3,400. Can't wait!

 

Fair enough- you make a valid point!

 

Hmm. I didn't realize this.

Even if they increased capacity to match the previous battery tech's weight, that would increase W, which should of increased electric powered mileage. Odd that it didn't bump it at all.

Seems like my hypothesis of a 10speed turbo V8 with modern hybrid tech getting significantly higher MPG (15-25%) is flawed.

 

We all have different priorities and preferences. Mine just happens to match up with the iForce Max right now.

With the MPG ratings, really understanding why they didn't call it a hybrid. I think they're waiting for that improvement when feasible on a 'workable' truck (via the solid state batteries).

 

On your first point I guess math is hard? Even the basic TTV6 iForce makes a lot more torque than the outgoing V8.

On your second point we agree. Toyota did this as cheaply as possible and is now trying to charge a premium for outdated tech.

This would be like Milwaukee, DeWalt, or Makita trying to sell cordless tools that run 12v NiCad batteries for a premium price when 20v lithium ion is a thing and can be had for similar money.

 

They could increase the capacity with a LiON in the same space as a NIMH though. The Tundras battery is 1.87 KW? I bet they could bump it to 2.5-3KW? That would help considerably.

 

Battery capacity, voltage, and cooling would need to improve but that’s not the limitation. The motor is only a 48 hp unit so that power needs to increase too.

 

Yeah but lithium ion battery living in the passenger space is bad idea for collisions.

 

They possibly could, but you don't want that volatile lithium ion safety hazard in the cab. Alternatively, you have to sandwich it under the cab and between the frame like the Ford (with higher future repair costs, not to mention yet even higher costs now too for a lithium ion pack). Neither is optimal but given today's options, I think they might have done the right thing if they were to do it at all anytime soon.

Will be sweet though if they would offer an easily installed plug in solid state upgrade down the road.

 

Yes the v6 makes more torque than the old 5.7. but a modern V8 turbo could make more than the TTV6. My point was that the TTV6 + Hybrid was their answer to competing with new V8 torque numbers by other brands.

 

What new V8 torque numbers from other brands? The 3.5L TTV6's from Toyota and Ford both make more torque than all of them including the 7.3L Ford V8.

Twin turbo V8 isn't going to happen. NOx emissions alone will make automakers shy away.

 

Toyota cancelled their V8 turbo project

But the big 3 have force induction V8s. TRX has one, Escalade V and Raptor R will have one too.

 

Here ya go. Watch these get better MPGs. Hot off the press

https://youtu.be/rpMWOW_2XaM

 

Here ya go what? Speculation about a 3/4 ton and up truck?

Dude you lost the argument, just let it go.

 

A. I'm not arguing with you.

B. If Ford is putting out a turbo V8 hybrid, the then my position that the combo works is supported. Especially if these v8 turbo trucks get better mpg than the current ttv6 hybrid.

 

And it looks like your assumptions could be wrong here per that speculation video.

 

Uhhh dude all I got from that was a turbodiesel V8 hybrid is possible. Are we comparing a 1/2 ton gas TTV6 to a HD pickup with a big turbodiesel now?

Furthermore what bizarro thought process would lead you to believe that Toyota developed their iForceMax to compete in any way with HD pickup truck engines?

 

It is exhausting talking to you. My points posted above I think are consistent. Accurate or not they flow well. I think they make sense. Not to you apparently.

Oh well. .