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How is Toyota breaking in our engines at the factory?

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by GratefulDean, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. Oct 28, 2020 at 7:17 AM
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    I broke in my engine with 3 tank-fuls of fly fuel.
     
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    Thanks for the cheek, much appreciated. :eek:

    My point to the question was whether there is a difference in construction on the FFV engine that in and of itself would require more frequent oil changes, like larger tolerances, etc.
     
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    I haven't had oil like that since my 1967 Ford Fairlane.

    I check my oil periodically and even with 10K oil changes, it always look like fresh golden motor oil.
     
  4. Oct 28, 2020 at 7:48 AM
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    Are you looking at it on the dipstick, or in the drain pan? Will always look cleaner on the dipstick.
     
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    I don’t think it’s a engine specific break in.

    I think is more of a break in period of the vehicle as a whole. Allowing all the components to settle from headlights to the tire mounted to the rim. Allowing the computer software to adjust.
     
  6. Oct 28, 2020 at 8:27 AM
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    Yeah the 200 mile no sudden stops is for bedding the brakes, 500 no towing is for breaking in your rear diff, and the 1000 easy driving is for suspension and drivetrain.

    I have had a few new Toyotas now with a couple of them now over 100k and all had oil change at 500, then 1000, then every 7500 after that with TMO 0w-20 and no issues with any of them.

    I also do blackstone analysis every few changes just to look for any issues.
     
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    When I went in for my first service at 5000 miles I did not expect an oil change since my engine is not Flex. The service rep says they're gonna do a oil change and rotate the tires. I asked about the oil change and said I didn't think I had a flex fuel engine. He said it had "flex fuel properties". I took that as a way of saying "we know but we're going to do the oil change at 5k anyway". They have done the oil every 5k for me ever since. It has 25k on it now. I've been happy with my dealer so far.
     
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  8. Oct 28, 2020 at 8:59 AM
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    Engines are dyno’d for power output before shipping. I wouldn’t call that a break in by any means.

    Every vehicle manufacture I’ve owned has a specific break in procedures that I follow. Hell, some manufactures limit you electronically until those parameters are met (corvette is one model that limits RPM/power output).
     
  9. Oct 28, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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    dealer should want to change oil, they get paid by toyota for doing it!
     
  10. Oct 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM
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    Shit, I created an oil change thread... I’ll see myself out.
     
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    This made me mad. I had the run around with local dealer doing my 2 yr free service. Because my truck is a Flex fuel, Toyota has written in their site that the oil is to be changed at every 5000. If you run e85 over 50% of the time, they recommend changing at 2500. The service writer didn't know this and I had to convince them to change it. Now, I go in for my 15k oil change. Get the run around and they say they'll change it. Pick up my truck and notice a few days past, I looked at the receipt and it does not indicate an oil change. Just the standard checks and rotate. I call them up, service writer goes and talks to someone and says YES you were suppose to get it changed and to bring it back in at my earliest convenience. Scheduled, go in and a different service writer is there and says it doesn't need an oil change cause Toyota says not too. THEN WHY TF YOU SCHEDULE ME!!??. Now I know this is a different SW so I don't take it out on them but finally convince them and show them where it is supposed to be changed at 5k intervals. Whether it needed or not, I expect it to be done , per Toyota guidelines. Had I not shown them , I would have made 2 trips to the dealer with no oil service done. Sorry for the novel.
     
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    Here's the note.

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    Well since I use this truck as a truck, drive off-road, tow...then the dealer should honor the severe duty regime and change it at 5000 miles. An if you read the second paragraph about 5w20 being an option (I may have read this wrong), which it is on mine, than the oil should always be changed at 5000 miles even when using 0w20. Thanks for posting this. I am gonna show it to my dealer. Of course I doubt I will get anywhere and will end up just doing it myself.
     
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    Let me say this after I drank some fly fuel and am feeling refreshed! Dang auto correct on iPhones!

    My dad retired from Honda of America and worked at the plant where they built Honda Accords and Acura TL's in Marysville, OH. He worked there for about 15 years. As a summer program, Honda employees who had a son/daughter in college could work there in the summer. I spent 2 summers their while I was in college working when home from college. Worked 3rd shifts in the plastic department at very back of building. We made bumpers for the cars and also packaged them out to send to dealers for replacement parts. Also made the fenders for ATV's and shipped them for assembly in Alabama.

    One of the cool things we did, we would go to the end of the line and put on new bumpers on cars that were scratched, did not meet final inspection at the end of the line. This was during 3rd shift when the plant was shut down so we had the area to ourselves. They had a large area where these cars sat. Could be scratch in fender, bumper, material, engine would not start, etc.... Honda at that time was insane with their quality control!!! Did not take much for a car to get flagged.

    My Dad the last year he was there, it was his job to start the car and drive them off the line. The cars would go in an area basically on an engine dyno chassis. Cars would run for about 10 minutes and they would check all kind of parameters in the engine, turn signal function, lights working, ac, etc.... The cars were not ran hard though, but just enough to get them somewhat up to temp and check the main vitals of the engine.

    If the car checked out, the employees would drive the cars out to a very large parking lot. At that time, most of the cars were going by rail to be delivered to different dealers, distributors, etc..... They would only sit for a few days before being shipped out. After my Dad parked the car, another employee in a 4-door Accord would pick up 3 employees in the lot and take them back to the area to do it again. That person doing the running and picking up employees runs the s*** out of them, haha. Those cars are never sent to be sold, only lot runners.

    The engines were built in Anna, OH engine plant. From what my Dad said, the engines were never ran or checked until the end of the line when he fired them up for the first time. 99% of the time they would start first time an purr like a kitten!

    This was a few years back and would have been between 2002-2005 when I was there.


    Now, one of the cool things working 3rd shift was there was only about 100 employees working at that time compared to about 8,000 during 1st and 2nd shifts. The plastics department was clear in the back of the factory and butted up against the Honda Test Track. Simply amazing at some of the stuff you saw at night. Could only see about 1/10 of that facility and it was pretty cool what we got to see......
     
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    Cool memories! My uncle was the concrete contractor/engineer who was in charge of all the concrete when they were building that factory. Pretty cool place.
     
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    One other cool thing working at Honda, and this would never happen in social media days but was the R&D/Design department. It was right beside the plastics department. You had to walk through a big wall/door to get into it from walking through the plastics department. The wall only went up about 20-25 feet. The ceiling in the building was probably 30-35 feet. The huge injection molding machines to make the plastic was huge. You could climb up them to get to the top where the engineers would do maintenance nightly. They were tall enough where you could see over the wall, haha. You could see clay moldings, prototypes if you got on top of that machine. We got to see the next generation of cars a handful of months before they were ever announced!

    Admittedly, it is completely different and no way in hell it is anything like that now a days!

    Just some interesting information from working in a large auto manufacturing plant. It was really cool to see and the technology even 20 years ago was simply amazing!
     
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    That is cool! The tunnels that flow through it right under the production lines to get form one area to the next are pretty awesome! Employees could use them to go to cafeteria, HR offices, etc....
     
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    On Gran Turismo 2 you get more horsepower if you change the oil on a new car before you ever drive it. If I ever buy a new car I know what I'm gonna do.
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    Wow, great insight. I guess it all comes back down to the quality of engineering.

    Great engineering = short break in period and long oil change intervals.

    Half a engineering = long a break in periods and constant oil changes and maintenance :(
     
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    If you're saying that not shipping out a car with an engine that won't start is "insane quality control", I'm disappointed in the automotive industry as a whole. :rofl:
     
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    Haha, yeah I know right! No they look at the cars in this special black light booth looking thing. If there was even a wave in it it would have to be fixed. We were fixing some of the front bumpers/valance and to the naked eye you did not see anything.

    Every single person at Honda wears the same white suit. It was a scratch less design with a special belt. All employees had to wear steel tow boots. At the time, Honda worked with Red Wing and Honda would pay for one pair of boots per year. All employees would wear the same outfot. Did mot matter if you were in HR, accounting, President of American Honda. Everyone wore the same outfit. No one was allowed to wear watches or anything on your wrist in fear of scratching a car. They did a phenomenal job. Outfits look like the picture below.

    AE96A145-5080-4166-B2DA-BD79D85125B5.jpg
     
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    You're correct, the dipstick.
    Last time I changed oil was probably that 1967 Fairlane..:thumbsup:
     
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    I just wait until the dashboard light tells me to change the oil
     
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    I had the oil changed by my local dealer on both our vehicles this week. Tundra at 4200 miles, 4Runner at 947 and both were paid by Toyota Care. The 1st oil change is recommended at 5k or 6mo and I just passed 6mo.
     
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    Why? How did they test them?
     
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    I watched a mega factories video that shows production for Porsche or Ferrari, I forget, but they drive each one hard at their final stage test track by experienced track drivers.

    I think the engineers figured break in is not really critical. Does it add additional wear, yes, but probably negligible. Say instead of 10 years, is down to 9 years 362 days.

    everything has a break in period (a TV they say not to run at full brightness right out of box) it’s probably better engineering resource spent to design longer overall life span versus optimizing and analyzing break in period effects.

    ie. designing a 10 year engine with -10% break in affect versus a 5 year engine with 5% break in effect.
     
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