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How does Tundra compare to the current F150?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Cabinetman, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. Aug 27, 2019 at 7:30 AM
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    Not really apples-to-apples.

    Toyota used a stock gasoline engine (with stock cooling system) to conduct a slow tow of a very heavy weight.

    Ford used a protoype electric motor to tow a very heavy weight...even if the rest of the F-150 was stock, the engine was not.

    Electric motors have instant torque, so the F-150 pull, while impressive in its own right, was somewhat easier to contemplate. I don't think some people here really appreciate how demanding a slow/heavy tow is on a stock internal combustion engine, especially for the cooling system. If/when Ford actually uses its 3.5l ecoboost or 5.0l coyote to conduct a feat similar to that of the Tundra's, then I'll give Ford the credit they are owed.
     
  2. Aug 27, 2019 at 7:38 AM
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    If you need a 13k lb tow rating and mid 20's for highway mpg, I'm not sure what truck will satisfy your requirements.

    Some of the F-150's are rated for that amount of towing, but I'd be hesitant to pick up a 1/2 ton for that kind of long term work. For anything much beyond 10k lbs, you'd be much better off getting a 3/4 ton since they are purpose built for that kind of work. Also, as someone else pointed out: the ecoboost engines are notoriously inefficient when being used for heavy work applications. A naturally aspirated gasoline v8 or turbo diesel would be much more appropriate options for that kind of towing duty.

    Also, most of the 3.5l ecoboost F-150's aren't getting anything close to mid 20's mpg on the highway.

    Wifi hotspot...okay Tundra lacks it, but I'm not sure how much that matters to most truck owners (at least in the Toyota realm).
    Rear locker..I agree that the Tundra should have one.

    I'll never ague that the Tundra is perfect in its current form, but I also think some people place its competitors on far too high of a pedestal.
     
  3. Aug 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM
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    I bought a 2019 limited tundra trd crew max. I test drove a 2019 Raptor and didn't care for all the bling or the $73k price tag. It's a toy vs a truck imho. The tundra rode nicer and the naturally aspirated engine is bullet proof. The eco-boost engines worry me as far as longevity. The raptor has 2 turbos or twice the problems. The 6 speed tranny in the Tundra is solid but does downshift a lot when pulling our TT. The 10 speed ford tranny seemed like it was all over the place and added to the turbo lag feeling. I test drove a 1894 edition with ventilated seats and didn't they didn't get cold, so I went with the limited. Now I rented a ford expedition once that had the vented seats and they worked so well I had to turn them off due to the nether regions getting to cold...lol My wife hated them because of how cold they got. I love my Tundra!!
     
  4. Aug 27, 2019 at 11:11 AM
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    I went today and did a 1 hour long test drive of a 2020 Tundra Platinum by myself. Here are my takeaways compared to my current 4Runner and my memory of recent Fords I have owned.

    1. The Tundra engine sounds good. Much better than a 3.5EB or the 4L in my 4Runner.
    2. The throttle response is so much better than my stock 4Runner. I did add a Sprint Booster to help the 4Runner.
    3. The steering is light in the Tundra. I definitely prefer more resistance, but I don't think this is a deal breaker. I assume I would get used to it.
    4. I'm on the fence regarding the seats. My 4Runner feels more comfortable, but the seats also have 15k miles of break in. I wish the Tundra seats had better side bolsters.
    5. The vented seats work better in the Tundra than my 4Runner. They also seemed quieter than both the 4Runner and the Fords I had.
    6. The JBL in the Tundra has better volume with CarPlay than my 4Runner streaming through the USB. Audio books and Podcasts sounded clearer. The 4Runner seems to have better bass.
    7. The rear fenders of the Tundra has liners! I had to either pay extra or LineX the inside rear fenders of my Fords.
    8. You can get to the cabin air filter without disassembling the dash. I swear Ford forgot they needed a cabin filter until after the truck design was complete and then had to squeeze one in.
    9. You can not see the status of the parking sensors without basically laying your head on the center console. I wouldn't mind if the DIC would tell when they are turned off and on like the 4Runner. I turn mine off in the 4Runner all the time at the bank or in a drive thru.
    10. The lighting inside the Tundra leaves a lot to be desired. My 4Runner has a little LED that shines on the console as well as ambient lighting in the foot well and on the door handles. My Fords had lighting in on the doors and around the cup holders. It appears the Tundra Platinum has no real ambient lighting. Granted, I was just poking around during the day time so I may have missed it.
    11. This is purely superficial, but I wish the Tundra had LED tail lights. I just like how they look. Technically, they should also be safer as LEDs illuminate faster. However, I don't know if it really makes much of a difference.
    12. It was raining today and water splashing on the underside of the Tundra seemed louder than what I remember in my Fords and definitely what I hear in the 4Runner.
    13. The interior materials of the Tundra seem a little below those in my 4Runner, but not below those in my Fords. The current Ford looks great inside, but the plastics are still hard and pretty thin. The Tundra feels like it might be a little better screwed together.
    14. The ride of the Tundra is pretty good for a truck. It didn't seem any rougher than my 4Runner.
    15. I think the Tundra is a little quieter than the 4Runner. It was hard to tell due to the rain today. I would say that the Ford is quieter than both.
    16. It looks like the Tundra headlights will be way better than my 4Runner and better than the Ford. It was hard to tell for sure without doing some real night driving.

    I'm strongly considering buying the Tundra. If I could get a F150 Lariat 502a package or a Platinum for similar money I would likely buy the Ford. However, I canteven get a 2020 F150 yet and the deals on the 2019s will still be higher than the Tundra. Since I do trade a lot I try to avoid buying end of year model trucks as you get basically two years of depreciation the moment you drive off the lot.

    If I buy the Tundra I will immediately install interior LED bulbs, Husky floorliners and try to find some organization for the center console. I'm going to have the electric tailgate lock added before delivery as well as remote start if we can find one that is known to work with the 2020s. I will also lineX the bed. Beyond those things I will just drive the truck and try to enjoy it.
     
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  5. Sep 6, 2019 at 1:31 PM
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    I ended up buying a silver 2020 Tundra Platinum 4x4. I took delivery last night and am happy with my decision. The Tundra isn't as fast as an Eco-Boost 3.5L F150 and I wish the rear floor was flat, but otherwise I'm happy with the Tundra. I will swap in LEDs for the interior, puddle, reverse and cargo lights. I had the dealer install the power tailgate lock. Otherwise, I plan to leave the truck stock except for Husky floor mats and a spray in bed liner. Thanks for all the insight.
     
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  6. Sep 6, 2019 at 1:41 PM
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    i think you made the right choice over the eco-boost. no flat rear floor sucks but you can work around it. you did good splurging on the platinum, congrats. hopefully many drama free years ahead, the tundra is good at that....
     
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  7. Sep 6, 2019 at 2:51 PM
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    Lucky you, i got a 10 min test drive bs. Does your dealership really let you do 1 hr long test drive?
     
  8. Sep 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM
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    My dealership let me keep the truck over night , before I made decision.

    Op seems to have bought few vehicles for them for his business, I guess he got good relations with the dealership also.
     
  9. Sep 7, 2019 at 3:07 AM
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    Not nearly enough room here!
    Toyota added a couple features since 07 and deleted... Driver's Side Grab Handle, Dual Zone AC/Heat, Sliding Console, Dual Glove Box, Lighted Door Bottoms and Ignition Ring + several storage compartments. Every one of these features was STANDARD on my 2010 SR5. My Tundra has been the best vehicle I've ever owned but if in the market today, Tundra would be quite a bit further down on the "Test-Drive List".
    As far as "downshifting a lot", you're able to control every bit of that with your Tundra's Sequential Shifter. You just have to be willing:confused:
     
  10. Sep 7, 2019 at 6:15 AM
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    I typically have never had an issue getting an extended test drive even in expensive luxury cars. I just try to be nice and let the salesperson know that I can’t get a good feel for a vehicle with him or her chatting me up on some pre determined loop.
     
  11. Apr 4, 2020 at 4:10 PM
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    Old thread, sorry.

    I'm in the market this fall for a new truck, currently have a 2014 F150 XLT EcoBoost. Can't say anything negative about my truck, just a little over 40k miles. Considering a Tundra equivalent as I'd like to possibly try something new.

    In Canada, Tundras cost every bit as much as an F150 and generally the lowest financing rate is 1.9% vs Ford who offer 0%.

    With those facts on mind, comparing the two trucks, would you still buy the Tundra paying about the same price or slightly more while getting worse fuel economy and older tech?

    Thanks for your input.
     
  12. Apr 4, 2020 at 4:48 PM
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    Depends really... if you plan to keep a truck a long time (10+ years), the Tundra is likely the clear winner. If not, I’d be looking at a Ram 1500 right now with 0%/84 month financing and an extended warranty for however long I plan to own it.
     
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  13. Apr 4, 2020 at 5:54 PM
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    I actually just did that. I traded in my 2013 F150 XLT 5.0L. My observations (keep in mind I'm comparing my 2013 F150 to my current truck):

    Comfort: Tundra is more comfortable, easily. My F150 wasn't uncomfortable, but while the seats were comfy, there seemed to be less support/padding to them. Both son and wife agree.
    Power: On paper the 2013 5.0 has 365HP/385TQ, which is about 20 less HP/15 less TQ than the 5.7L in the Tundra. HOWEVER...i actual operation, the difference was night and day. The 5.0L delivered its peak HP/TQ much higher in the RPM band, and with 3.42 gears (I think it was), while it wasn't 'slow,' it doesn't equal the Tundra. In comparison to the 5.0L in the 2013 I traded in, the Tundra makes its power down lower, and with 4.30 gears, you'd think it had tons more HP. From a standstill, if I was lucky, my '13 5.0L would occasionally chirp the tires. The '20 Tundra will easily lay down strips of rubber. And turning tow/haul on while disabling VSC? Hold on. :D
    Gas mileage: My lifetime average MPG with my 5.0 was 15.9-16.1, and I drove that thing like grandma was sitting in the drivers's seat with a 20qt pot of boiling hot beans. My 2020 Tundra gets right around 16.2 so far, and that's with about 25% driving it like I stole it, and 75% loafing along.
    Features: To me, I compared the features I had with my F150 to what I have. The Tundra has everything my F150 had, plus an actual WORKING multimedia system (lol), headlights I can adjust, a TON more storage, adjustable steering wheel, backup camera, auto-dimming mirror, heated rear view mirrors, the whole bunch of safety features, and I could go on.
    Reliability: Frankly, I had no complaints about my '13 F150. I had some small stuff break but nothing huge. With that said, it's been my experience over time that if you put 100K or so on a Toyota and a Ford, the Toyota will always tend to hold up better, both reliability-wise and in looks.

    I was well aware that I could potentially 'get more' if I purchased another F150, or a GMC/Chevrolet, etc. With that said....I'm the kind of guy, I believe, the Tundra was created for. I don't give a @%#@ about class-leading gas mileage, or more features. Gas mileage is almost ALWAYS at the expense of towing capability or the 'fun factor' (the lag on my 5.0 when stepping on the pedal was far worse than my '20 Tundra), and while features are nice, they can also break. Beyond power locks/windows/steering, cruise control, HVAC, a tow package, heated rear view mirrors and a backup camera, the rest is kinda superficial and non-needed to me.

    In short, I didn't want or need a truck with more 'features' or any of that stuff. I simply wanted a well-built truck with plenty of power that I KNOW will hold its value and be reliable as hell. :)
     
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    Cabinetman I test drove all makes,they all have there good points. I choose Tundra for reliability I just don’t feel like repairing my vehicles any more. Guess I’m getting too old or lazy.
     
  15. Apr 5, 2020 at 7:09 AM
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    I don't think Tundras cost more than domestics any more (though you're right, they used to). I paid cash for mine rather than financing so I could get the discounts, though.

    An F150 XLT built the way I would like it was $55k MSRP. Tundra SR5 was $53k MSRP and in November Toyota was offering $4k off and then my dealership somehow got me another $4k off and I was out the door for $45k including GST and dealer fees. Not to say you can't find that kind of a deal on a Ford or GM but you generally have to wait until later in the model year.

    I'll admit I'm not really into anything fancy but the only tech that I'm aware of that you can't get on a Tundra is the surround view cameras and that stupid thing Ford has that backs up your trailer for you. Neither appeals to me.

    It would be nice to get better fuel economy unloaded but, if you're actually towing, all gas half tons get 25 L/100 km (10 mpg). My math on a Tundra was based on a GM being $20k more, which buys a lot of fuel. I also decided that reliability is most important to me and I just wouldn't trust a domestic not to strand me.
     
  16. Apr 5, 2020 at 8:13 AM
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    I recently picked up a TRD Pro Tundra. It was a 2019 and a decent price and I badly needed a pickup. I researched the truck market for almost two years obsessively. I'm a Toyota nerd to the marrow but I'm a disciplined consumer in items that really matter like a house, car, etc.

    The Tundra seemed to actually be a bargain compared to the other competitors. I'm in a very rural and remote area so the thought of a tow to a dealer is a massive deal breaker. The Tundra was the odds on favorite to begin with but after two years of research on the F series, GM, Nissan, Dodge, I couldn't overlook the insanity on the competition.

    I wish the Tundra had better seats in comfort area.

    I've been a 5th gen 4 runner guy for a while. I've had 4 5th gen 4runners from SR5 premium, 2 limiteds, and TRD Pro. The 4 Runner has better build quality and its very noticeable in many areas. Its the only disappointment I have. Whether it was a low trim level or high trim level the 4 runners I've had were put together like it was going to a SEMA or high end auto show. Just astonishingly good build quality and repeatability over 4 models I've had. Even after heavy trail use I didn't get any noise, knocks, or bump nuisance noises.

    Anyway...The Tundra is great so far. But man the 4runners were just outstanding in build quality.
     
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    This. My '20 Tundra CrewMax is a *HUGE* upgrade from my '13 F150...but the thing is that I also spec'd out a '20 F150. The XLT is roughly comparable to the SR5, but the SR5 comes with features standard that the XLT doesn't. If I went through and optioned out all the stuff that came with my '20 Tundra (standard or otherwise), the cost would be around $50K, and it would be missing some features (e.g., LED headlamps).

    To get the LED headlamps, unless I'm missing something, I'd have to step up the Lariat; and the MSRP on an F150 would then be $56K. A similar Chevrolet, around $51K; and GMC, about $53K.

    MSRP on my Tundra was $48K; I paid $41,700 (not counting taxes).
     
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    Interesting. I test drove a 20 Raptor and it rode way nicer than my Platnium and I even have 18” wheels. They usually get delivered with really high tire pressure so you have to make sure they reset them to the correct pressures before you test drive. People are getting Raptors for invoice now so the price tag becomes more attractive if you want to spend that kind of money. Resale value is solid, on par or better than the Tundra. Tundra definitely wins out on reliability and towing, but that’s about it. I am holding off a few months until the current situation starts to get better and see if prices get better. Enjoy your new truck!
     
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    Never even gave it a thought. Toyota either you do or you don't there is no ?
     
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    Thanks for all the advice.

    I'm going to wait until the fall when the 21s come out and go shopping then. As I said, in Ontario you can get 0% on the F150, but never on the Tundra. Maybe with this pandemic going on they'll do even more to stimulate sales.

    I drive approximately 11000kms a year so fuel economy isn't as much a concern as reliability. My trailer is 5k dry so towing isn't an issue either.

    Coming from what I've got, even a "dated" Tundra will be an upgrade. I'll probably send some emails to a couple of dealerships and see how close to invoice they're willing to move toward. I'll most likely look at the SR5 crewmax with the TRD Offroad or Sport package.

    Jeff
     
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    I have a 2018 tundra crew max 4x4 limited. Limited seats are very firm. I wish I had bought a platinum. I drive a 2018 Ford F-150 crew cab 4x4 5.0 V8 for work. Neither truck has been in the shop for anything but maintenance. I hate the 10 speed transmission in the F-150. It sux. The F-150 also has the coyote tick ( noisey ). My tundra ( 14.5) will not get close in gas mileage to the F-150 (17.6) & I drive both vehicles the same. Had both vehicles since new & I drive F-150 home. My tundra has 11.5k miles, the F-150 33k miles. F-150 seats are softer & the cab is quieter. When I purchased a personal vehicle I didn't even consider the F-150.
     
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    Ford has also gone to a smaller gauge wiring harness which has some nighmare electrical issues
     
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    Ford is a very fleet friendly company they beat out competition quotes and offer a good parts replacement program for fleets offsets some of the repair inconveniences i guess
     
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    Have had a few F150’s over the years. My steel 2013 with the 3.5 eco boost and 3.73 rear end was a beast for a half ton truck. Towed a lot with it and it was rock solid stable. I really miss that truck. Bought a 2015 with the 3.5, good power but terrible towing, was all over the road while towing, even with the same load the 13 kicked ass with. Was really disappointed in the aluminum F150.
     
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    We have a few of these at work; and to be honest, I kinda felt like the 2015+ F150's were the Windows Vista of Ford trucks. LOL Not that 2011-2015 F150's were perfect, but aside from a buncha features and 'aluminum!' they didn't add much.
     
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