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How does Tundra compare to the current F150?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Cabinetman, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. Aug 25, 2019 at 6:48 PM
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    The Tundras are behind in tow rating and unloaded FE. Before I bought my Tundra I thought all the V8 trucks were pretty close in power delivery and feel with the only one lagging behind being the 5.3L in the GM trucks when I test drove em all before choosing the Tundra. All were brand new 18 models at the time and around the same trim level. I guess people are looking for something that stands out from the rest so if Toyota does in 2021 what they did in 07 I think the Tundra will be in a good spot. I personally like my truck for what it does and tows incredibly well and gets decent tow mileage but I understand if people want more creature comforts and since trucks are a big purchase decision the only thing that matters is what the buyer wants.

    EDIT: Only V8 truck I didn't test drive was the 6.2 GM Trucks didnt want a luxury trim to get that engine.
     
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  2. Aug 25, 2019 at 7:00 PM
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    When I shopped trucks in 2017, I drove the Tundra, 5.3 Chevy, and 5.0 Ford. I was wary of the ecoboost so didn’t look at it. The 5.3 Chevy accelerated about the same as the Tundra. I hated the steering though. Felt imprecise like a boat. And although the truck looked high from the outside it felt like i sat low.

    The 5.0 Ford felt quicker and more nimble than either. Felt like a car. And I could’ve gotten a new XLT for about $33-34k. But I didn’t care for the styling. I do think the minor freshening of the Ford’s grill has made it look a lot better.

    I went wth Tundra bc I liked the styling and expected reliability. I liked how it drove like a truck and felt substantial. Although I wish it was as fast as the Fords.
     
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  3. Aug 25, 2019 at 8:16 PM
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    Toyota gives under rated numbers while everyone else over does it.
     
  4. Aug 25, 2019 at 8:34 PM
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    It is interesting how our results are different. I do not doubt your experience so please don't take it that way. Maybe we just drove different geared Fords and GMs. Either way though its no biggy. :)
     
  5. Aug 25, 2019 at 8:39 PM
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    Thing is, that's not how I buy a vehicle. I buy a vehicle based on what I want/need, not how much I'm going to pay. If I need 13000lb tow capacity, Tundra is out. If I want a wifi hotspot, Tundra is out. If I need unloaded highway mileage in the mid 20s, Tundra is out. If I want a mechanical rear locker, Tundra is out. These things are available in trucks in the 50k range. Maybe not everything together, but individually. I can spec out trucks from the other manufacturers that have these available. Yes, if OP would like to spend 60+k on a truck, then Tundra is out. That's exactly what I'm saying. People shouldn't be considering something if it doesn't meet their needs/wants.

    Also, why not compare the 6.2 if it's in the same price range? That thing is beast. You're removing offerings that make the other trucks competitive. The title of the thread is "How Does Tundra Compare to the Current F150?" If you remove everything that makes the the other trucks different from the Tundra, of course they will be the same. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your logic is "Tundra doesn't offer a high output HD gas engine, so take that away from the GM in order to compare them."
     
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  6. Aug 25, 2019 at 8:48 PM
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    GM’s 6.2 practically doesn’t exist. GM is reluctant to offer it in any truck under $60k. I looked at the new Chevy a few weeks ago and maybe I just missed it, but I peeled into the windows of about 30 trucks on the lot and not a single one had the 6.2. Even some pricey High Country and Trail Boss had the 5.3.
     
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  7. Aug 26, 2019 at 6:52 AM
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    GM only offers the 6.2 on LTZ and SLT and up. So for the tech and interior goodies found in there you need to compare it to a Platinum/1794. It's even a $3k (CAD) option on those trims. GM trucks with the 6.2 are awesome trucks, but damn do they hurt the bank account, and with GM's spotty reliability (I'd argue it's worse than Ford's) it was an easy decision for me to spend much less on the Tundra to get what I wanted.
     
  8. Aug 26, 2019 at 8:22 AM
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    GM’s unwillingness to offer the 6.2 in lower trim models really turned me off when I was buying a truck in 2017. I didn’t want leather or a sunroof. I did want the big engine. GM said no.

    I’ll give Ford credit for offering any engine in any trim.
     
  9. Aug 26, 2019 at 8:50 AM
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    I was the exact same way, buying a GM started with the 6.2 since the 5.3 sucks at the top end IMO, and for how nice the trucks are off the lot at the upper trim level I just couldn't pay ~$55k for the SLT when I got my TRD OR for $47.5k and it had everything I needed from the dealer.
     
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  10. Aug 26, 2019 at 9:29 AM
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    I purchased a Tundra in April coming from a GMC sierra and I disagree with all of this information. The Tundra is a great truck. Comfortable on long drives, tows great and gets decent highway mileage for a truck. I like the lack of tech features I will never use or don't care about. Its just more expensive stuff to break. Same goes for all the engine tech to get a few MPG more. Its all comes with a maintenance cost. I'll take my Tundra over the others any day.
     
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  11. Aug 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM
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    I think the replies after yours pretty much sums up the 6.2L part of my previous post. Gotta go high end to get one, which is beyond what an apples for apples comparison of F-150 and Tundra would entail. My logic is, compare two similar trims for each and decide on that, and when your trim desires get beyond the best offering of one of them, move on from that one.

    I think the way you buy a vehicle is the way most people, including myself, buy a vehicle...but everyone has a budget. My budget was 45k OTD and I had certain things I wanted and certain things that would be nice but weren't a necessity. The Tundra Limited covered enough of them (in addition to looks and color) to make it the best choice. I loved the Sierra but the prices were still just a few thousand too high and I really was 50/50 on it vs the Tundra. I would have been thrilled with either the SLT or the Limited.

    If OP's budget is well past 50k he should go for gold if he wants gold. I won't bash any other maker's reliability but it had a significant on my overall decision.
     
  12. Aug 26, 2019 at 9:43 AM
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    After spending some time thinking about my priorities I believe the Tundra may be a good fit for me. I'm going to be buying/leasing the truck through my business and the Tundra will likely be $250 a month cheaper if comparing the Tundra Platinum to a high level F150 Lariat or Platinum. Even when you factor back in the gas mileage difference It looks like the Tundra will cost me about $2k a year less to own and operate. That is not a huge amount of money, but anything I put toward making the company better vs taking care of myself is usually the right move.

    Also, I have been driving a 2019 4Runner Limited for almost 9 months and the 2020 Tundra compares very favorably to the 4Runner. Here are the things I believe I will gain with Tundra:
    1. Power
    2. Interior seating room
    3. Fuel range
    4. LED headlights
    5. Better DIC with more info in the gauge cluster
    6. Better brake pedal feel
    7. Blind sport monitoring
    8. Radar cruise
    9. Apple CarPlay

    The only things l believe I lose from my 4Runner are full-time 4wd, easier to park, higher quality assembly/materials, better steering feel and the crappy factory remote start. I realize there are inherent differences between a truck and a SUV that I'm fully aware of having owned many of both in the past.

    I'm still not 100% sure what I will do, but if the Ford continues to be higher I will likely lease a 2020 Tundra and trade into the next generation at the second model year.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2019 at 10:03 AM
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    You really can't go wrong with the decision you are making, as long as you know what your getting into. For the love of all that is holy, I for one get tired of people buying a new truck and then bitching about it on here for days on end. Is the Tundra dated? Yep. Is it a good choice for most people that have a little bit of intelligence? Yes. Would I buy one today if my situation changed? Yep. Like I stated earlier, I'm looking hard at the 2021 and hope it is all that and a bowl of soup.

    Funny, but some think there are no other options or even better ones for certain people. Now you just have to decide if the cost and heartache is worth it going to another manufacturer. Most times it isn't. The only other truck I would even consider buying in the 1/2 ton market right now would be a Ford F-150 with the 5.0 in the Lariat plus trim package.
     
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  14. Aug 26, 2019 at 11:21 AM
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    We have a 4Runner (SR5 Prem) and a Platinum Tundra, and I think you are spot on with what you will gain. If you are keeping it 100% stock, the highway mpg difference shouldn't be drastic. We drive more city/rural roads than pure highway, and we both keep a fuelly log. The 4Runner is averaging 17.4 lifetime avg and my Tundra is averaging 14.6 lifetime avg as you see in my signature.

    I'm struggling now as I usually replace my trucks every 3 years. Right now there is nothing on the market that excites me, if the GM trucks had a gas tank larger than 24 gallons, I may be in a 6.2 (then I factor in the cost for Premium gas, even with better mpg I think the 6.2 costs more per mile than my Tundra). I'm waiting to see how the 7.3 Super Duty drives and if GM puts a 10 speed behind the 6.6 gas, I'll give it a test drive too. Just can't justify spending $78k+ for a diesel 3/4 or paying ~12k for a newer Tundra that's basically the same as my 2016. If the new Tundra comes out with ~1,700 payload and 12k towing in the Platinum trim, I'd be very interested.
     
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    I could easily apply the same argument to the 3.5 ecoboost; which is available on all trims and quite obtainable. I dunno man. We don't shop for vehicles the same way. You're looking at stripping advantages from other vehicles to level the playing field and I'm looking for things in each that make them stand out. We're both immovable objects on this. You do you, I'm going to do me.


    You can disagree with the subjective items. "Comfortable" there's a lot of people trying to improve the ride quality to be more comfortable; so for some it's not as comfortable. "Tows great" 10k lbs isn't great. It might tow 10k well, but 10k is quite low in today's market. "Decent highway mileage" many, many would disagree. Top trucks on the market are in the mid 20s. You're looking specifically for a stripper truck. You're the minority of the market as a whole. What you cannot disagree with are the statistics. It is no longer the segment leader for anything. In fact, it's near the bottom. All the other trucks do a lot of things better than Tundra.

    In the end, we're not buying Tundras because we want the biggest and baddest ride on the block. That's not what the Tundra is. I bought it because I became a fan of Toyotas when Ivan Stuart Ironman'd the 1000 AND beat the bikes across the line. I knew that I wasn't getting top towing, top payload, best comfort or, best fuel economy. I didn't need these things. Maybe one day I will, but not now.
     
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    I don’t disagree with anything you wrote except your statement regarding towing. The Tundra does tow great. 10k lbs is a lot for a half ton. The competition is rated to tow more, but that does not mean 10k lbs is insignificant. Really, anyone who needs to tow that much is probably getting a 3/4 ton anyway. So for 99% of us who drive a half ton, the Tundra tows just fine.
     
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    For me, the more buffer there is between my actual trailer weight and the max tow capacity the better. With bumper pull travel trailers starting to come in a 8800lbs dry (on the high end), I would want more than 10k if I were to pull one regularly. I don't plan on getting a travel trailer, but would like an enclosed vehicle trailer so I can buy a project 90s Bronco and prerunner it out. I would estimate that after fab work, the bronco will come in at about 5.5 - 6k. Add in another 1k of tools and misc parts and fluids and we're up to 6.5 - 7k. A typical tandem with 5200lb axles is about 3k. Now we're at the limit or overweight. This is what I'm saying... Things are evolving and getting heavier and bigger, but the Tundra has not evolved to compensate. So, if you own a Tundra, you're stuck with a smaller travel trailer and I may have to make concessions on my Bronco build.
     
  18. Aug 26, 2019 at 12:20 PM
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    Couple things about your points - you are going after specs, the stuff salesmen spew at us.

    I've towed 7k lbs with an F150 3.5 and the Tundra 5.7 - the Tundra tows better. The 3.5 is nice and powerful but it really sucks back the gas towing, once you're into that turbo you just watch the gas gauge fly to E, Tundra isn't a ton better fuel wise though. The Tundra being heavier really helps control the trailer, doing heavier tows the F150 was no where near as comfortable as the Tundra, if it wasn't for hanging in 4th gear more than I like highway driving with a 7k lb trailer is just as comfortable as being empty while the F150 is much more nervous.

    And as for the mileage, it goes back to a point I made about towing but holds true for being empty, you have to stay out of the turbo or it sucks back the gas worse than the Tundra 5.7. The 5.0 is slightly better since you don't have the boost issue, but the difference is maybe 2 mpg on the biggest days.

    This is not me saying the F150 is a bad truck, it's just saying the Tundra is not as far behind as you make it out to be when you actually drive both day to day. The F150 is cushier (disadvantage in my book) and does have more tech (my experience with Ford electronics says this is a bad thing), but for being a truck the Tundra dollar for dollar is just as good if not better.

    If I want tech, a comfortable ride, and great fuel mileage I'll go get a luxury sedan for less than either pickup and go buy a beater for the truck duties.
     
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    I've never complained while towing with my Tundra, the 5.7 does a good job even lifted with ~34" tires. Having said that, it is very difficult finding a decent sized camper to tow with my Platinum "legally". Not many options when you consider it only has ~1,133 lbs of payload. Our 5th gen 4Runner has a payload of 1,106 lbs, only 27 pounds less
     
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    No doubt the F150 is better towing according to the specs. I still think Tundra is good for towing just not as good as the Ford.

    I’m in a similar boat. I was looking at renting a travel trailer with a 8500 lb dry weight. I decided that if I rent such a trailer, I’m just going to also rent a 3/4 ton truck and not have to worry about it.
     
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    I consider Fuelly a pretty accurate source/site compared to the Mags and I'm not seeing anything that supports that statement. Most of the big competitors are averaging 2-3 mpg better at most.
     
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    Congratulations on your decision sounds like your leaning more towards the tundra. At least if you lease the truck you still get 2yr 25K service, pretty much maintenance free 2yr. Oil changes every 10k. Not sure what the mileage/term of your lease is but if 3yr, basically 1 or 2 services you will pay for the term. Aside note the Ford will have a bigger rebate than the Tundra too. When I looked at the ford they were offering 12k off the msrp, the tundra 4k off the msrp. (This includes rebates and dealer rebates) Also if this is for your business don't buy the most expensive truck. If buying turn it into a write off it will pay for itself. Look at the long haul, I believe you will save more than 2k on the tundra. Enjoy it.
     
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    I've been eyeballing a couple Ford F-150 XLTs with the TT 3.5L EB in them for a new truck in a couple years. Can anyone talk me out of this, or should I wait for the comprehensive Tundra refresh in 2021?
     
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    I won’t talk you out of that. That’s the truck I’d buy if I was in the market today.
     
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    Wait for next generation Tundra! They go into production next August as a 2021 model.
     
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    The V8 is like a $800 upgrade. I wouldn’t want the ecoboost when I could have the V8 instead.
     
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    The Ecoboost is the clear winner in power, but the thing is...the Tundra is as fast, faster, or a couple tenths slower than the Chevy 5.3, Ram Hemi and Ford 5.0.

    No insult or disrespect intended, but you've experienced "butt dyno," which, if you arent familiar with the term, is a phenomenon where the driver judges differences or potential increases in power by the seat of their pants. But, real testing shows these trucks all perform about the same. Mid 6 seconds 0-60 and low 15's in the quarter mile. As far as agility goes, I havent seen skid pad or figure 8 numbers or 0-100 braking distances for any of them. The towing capacity really isnt all that different until you're in the EcoBoost or e-torqe engines.

    I just traded-in a 5.0 powered mustang. I know what that platform is capable of. That engine is a bulletproof, fire breathing ANIMAL. It absolutely oozes potential and BEGS to be pushed to redline over and over. It's a little different configuration in the truck but had I been looking at the F150 I wouldn't have even considered the EcoBoost over the Coyote. I believe it'll stand the test of time as well. Hell, you can even put the F150 intake manifold on a Mustang and boost the low end torque..lol

    But...as it's put in the truck from the factory, I've seen no data to suggest it outperforms the Tundra. If anyone has real data to contradict that, I'm happy to be wrong. :)
     
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  29. Aug 26, 2019 at 8:06 PM
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    hey smell this

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    I’ve never driven the Ram. I think the Hemi is supposed to be a tad faster 0-60. My dad’s 2018 Chevy 5.3 seems about the same or a little slower. The Ford 5.0 felt quicker to me. Maybe bc it’s a lighter truck. But you’re right, aside from the ecoboost the trucks are all similar speed.

    I just need a supercharger in my Tundra, that’s all.
     
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  30. Aug 27, 2019 at 3:55 AM
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    Don't we all need one?

    The Coyote, in its Mustang configuration is a high revving machine that is nothing special until it gets above 3,500 rpm. After that, it takes off like a rocket. I'm sure the low end torque of the F150 is more prevalent than the Mustang but the location of the power band in the different trucks might be what you're feeling.
     

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