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How bout that Ford Lightning

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by jwatt, May 19, 2021.

  1. May 21, 2021 at 1:24 PM
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    So why do an electric pickup instead of an electric car?
     
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  2. May 21, 2021 at 1:27 PM
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    Yup, thats the 80,000 dollar question.
    BTW, i'm looking for rocks and trees that have 220 outlets in them.
     
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    I want something reliable when in the right hands, just needs more application and time
     
  4. May 21, 2021 at 2:24 PM
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    Idea. What if you put a generator in the bed of the truck, and then use that to charge the truck?
     
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  5. May 21, 2021 at 2:32 PM
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    Someone was telling me that's not as ridiculous at it sounds (or when you see a Tesla towing a diesel generator) because the generator tends to run more efficiently than a car with an ICE.
     
  6. May 21, 2021 at 3:07 PM
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    Very similar to a hybrid, if you think about it.
     
  7. May 21, 2021 at 3:19 PM
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    How much of this Tech was from Rivian? Didn't Ford sink a bunch of money into that company?
     
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  8. May 21, 2021 at 3:25 PM
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    So, I browsed around for solid state batteries...the word lithium kept coming up. A previous poster (who didn't agree with me because he works in the power industry) said the infrastructure is coming; so, okay, the outlets are coming but there are still reasonable issues with reclaim and disposal as well as the output yield of any battery source. I researched a solar project some time ago for a $30B per year company to feed power back to the grid after powering the building, the ROI was almost 27 years. My current company looked into solar and wind tech but the ROI is simply too far out to invest at this time.

    But, back to the solid state battery...the current tech for this battery seems to be some type of lithium derivative, e.g., lithium metal in lieu of lithium-ion (which includes Li-Po, Li-On, etc.). Lithium metal cells and batteries are synonymous with high energy output with no recharging ability where as lithium ion has the same high energy output (think of it as a drill keeping full charge until dead where the older technology, NiCad and NiMH, showed reduced ability over the life of the charge) but is rechargeable. The new solid state tech seems they have created a way to use lithium metal cells and batteries to be rechargeable. That's great...lithium metal is "hot"...when my company stocked these batteries, they had to be in a special fire cabinet and required the Class D fire extinguisher to be installed (don't know if you've ever handled a Class D, but the media is a granular copper and the damn thing weighed about 70 pounds (the extinguisher was about knee-high).

    I appreciate everyone's feedback in this thread...but I don't think any of us are missing the point. We all have opinions and personal experience to draw from and simply want to say our peace.
     
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  9. May 21, 2021 at 4:19 PM
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    And 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.
     
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    Somewhere way back in some thread, I commented that IMO Diesel / Electric is the preferred power supply for hauling stuff efficiently.
    Our trains run that very system.
    In a truck, a small turbo diesel powering a large generator would do the job for pick ups hauling.
     
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    Just read a article 100 miles max towing
     
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  12. May 21, 2021 at 4:47 PM
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    I'm also intrigued by diesel-hydrogen hybrids.
     
  13. May 21, 2021 at 5:16 PM
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    Ford doesn’t make cars anymore, and they already have the Mustang Mach V on the market. And there are already quite a few electric cars currently on the market.

    Ford is poised to be the first legacy automaker to deliver a fully EV truck to their customers. This is a huge leg up on their competition, and once they have the ball rolling on increased production efficiency, the economy of scale, and shared components across their product lines “should” be a major money maker for them.

    To Fords credit, they are delivering a pretty damn impressive array of trucks.

    Size they have the soon to be released Maverick compact truck, Ranger mid size, F150 full size, and Superduty for HD.

    Then have a ton of different engine choices. The F150 alone has a NA V6, small diesel power stroke, 2.7 EcoBoost, 3.5 EcoBoost, 3.5HO EcoBoost, 3.5 PowerBoost Hybrid, and now an electric motor.
     
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  14. May 21, 2021 at 5:57 PM
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    Reading his comment in context with the comment of your he quoted; 99% sure he was referring to the buyers you laid out. As in "why would those buyers get an electric truck when an electric car will do everything you mentioned." Not specifically a Ford electric car.
     
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  15. May 21, 2021 at 6:00 PM
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    Tow rating is 10,000 lbs and you will be lucky to make it 100 miles while towing. They will have to put charging stations at boat ramps to make EVs a viable option.
     
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    o_O
     
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    Yeah was just thinking an EV f150 would be a much more practical Tundra preservation vehicle than a Nissan leaf. In a few years these ev f150's will be all over the used car market. An probably pretty cheap. After all it's a ford and the resale on them is horrible
     
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    I love this car. So much fun. Ford builds these right also. A very good car
     
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  19. May 21, 2021 at 6:48 PM
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    Devcom Miles per Gallon? More like Smiles per Gallon!!

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    You will hear no arguments from me on that one if the Camaro didn't exist I would have a 5.0 Mustang.
     
  20. May 21, 2021 at 7:36 PM
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    I like the camaro also but the vision out of it is flawed IMO. Hell you can't even fit a super size happy meal through the window without turning it sideways. All kidding aside this is why I would buy the mustang over the Camaro. But both are great cars
     
  21. May 21, 2021 at 8:55 PM
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    Very true. I should have said sedans.
     
  22. May 21, 2021 at 9:09 PM
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    I didn't think think the visibility was too horrible but then again I drove a lot with a trailer behind a truck or in other performance vehicles with worse visibility where you only had your side mirrors. Every time I drive our Subaru I feel like I am in a fishbowl.
     
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  23. May 22, 2021 at 9:36 AM
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    Not sure some of the correlations you a drawing work?

    1. One day all cars will be electric. This is correct but has no correlation to the the Plasma TV situation. In large part due to the fact that electric cars will be the only cars available as a result of global government force. Not due to customer demand. This last week an IEA report said "By 2035, there are no sales of new internal combustion engine passenger cars, and by 2040, the global electricity sector has already reached net-zero emissions." They also said their will be no more exploration of oil by the end of 2021.

    2. Since a combustion engine is already autonyms the corded phone phone vs cell phone correlation doesn't work. Its more or less a fun fact.

    3. Correct, you will buy an electric car in 10 years but not necessarily because you want to. It will be the result of government intervention in global markets. Communists governments tell you what you CAN have with no regard for what you want or what even might be best. I CAN'T WAIT! :annoyed:

    4. Good chance we will have torn ourselves apart as a nation & likely as a global people before we actually place batteries in every home & business about the globe in the name of "Clean energy". This will be in large part a result of complete financial collapse. If you haven't noticed, every bill purposed via our congress these days end with a "T". At this rate they will be spending the value of our GDP annually with interest.

    5. Do you know how long solar has been around? If so, do you know why it only "took off" in recent years? Government subsidies have had it on life support. Please don't confuse these with the same idea as "tax break subsidies" to the oil industry. They are nothing like one another. "Oil subsidies" are the governments way of "allowing" a privet industry to retain more of its own income or self generated revenue via "tax breaks". Solar subsidies are actual checks or funding given to solar companies. You are about to see UBI (Universal basic income) given to low information voters in the U.S the same way via "Child tax credits". These are checks that will be sent to "low income" families every month for the foreseeable future. At the end of the year many of these families will actually have a positive net "TAX" income. That's $0 paid in with still even more in their account from the government. :infantry:

    BTW, I'm not attacking your opinion. I just couldn't help but point out that many of the points your are making are valid thoughts but draw absolutely no correlation to what is happening in the energy sector. I like EV's. I think they are pretty damn cool. Elon has actually managed to build a fantastic company with initial government assistance resulting in what is now a self sustaining product that people what. I'm ok with this model. I just don't like ideas so good they have to be mandatory. That is what is happening in energy generation. :violent:
     
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    10 years is too soon I'd say more like 30 but there will be ICE sharing the roads with EVs.
     
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    I didn't read your entire rant but, as to one of your points in #1, oil exploration and production will continue for many years, even if every single passenger vehicle on the road is converted to electric by 2040, partially due to other uses for it and partially due to the natural decline over time in existing production.
     
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    Ongoing... probably never ending
    Quite honestly, electrification should have been more incremental, this EV-gold rush is stupid and does nothing to actually reduce pollution wether its soil, water, air or all three combined.

    Right now and in the next 3-4 years, there won't be any significant leap in batteries, 5 years?... maybe. So we're left with either range anxiety or slow ass charging

    If anyone cares to run the numbers on replacing the 4 million/sold annually ICE cars for EV's + infrastructure needed to charge them. Axing nuclear power is not going to help.
     
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    Nuclear is the answer IMO. Also I think this EV push could be because we will run out of oil and governments need oil to continue their rule. I read somewhere that at our present consumption rate we will run out of oil by 2052. Not sure if this is the truth but it's possible. We will need oil for the military so all of us minions need to find an alternative fueled vehicle to get around town in;):D
     
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    I'm sure you are correct. I'm only pointing out what the IEA is calling for. The IEA's definition of exploration is not necessarily drilling new wells. It's finding currently unknow potential for new wells. We already know the Bakken field currently has enough oil to supply the U.S at its current rate of consumption for the next 200 years.
     
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    Yeah it's a nice rig but, anyone can stuff a big power plant into a brick and make it go fast.
    But, can they do with class like my girl.
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    Not sure Pontiac and Class can legally be used in the same sentence unless you are talking 1950s-60s muscle.
     

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