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High Angle CV boots for Long Travel, 2nd/3rd gen

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by osidepunker, Jun 19, 2018.

  1. Jun 19, 2018 at 6:30 AM
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    I've been looking for a solution for years now. I have Total Chaos LT. My boots leak, both inners and outers. I've used 2 different style clamps, had them reseated several times and replaced with brand new OEM boots and they still leak.

    I see some orange silicone high angle boots online for 1st gen tundras, but not 2nd/3rd gen.

    SDHQ has a set they say are stronger than stock, but several taco guys report they they tear immediately and SDHQ wont take care of them: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/bad-experience-with-sdhq-cv-boots-and-service.505602/

    OEM boots with any style clamp won't work. I think my kit produces higher CV angles than stock. Does anybody know of any other high angle boots out there? I'll try calling CVJ in a few hours when they open and see what they say.
     
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  2. Jun 19, 2018 at 6:40 AM
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    Also, anyone know the right tool to buy for the clamps? I see a bunch of different CV clamp tools on Amazon, but not sure which one to get.
     
  3. Jun 19, 2018 at 8:11 AM
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    None, yet....
    I know this isn't what you asked, but any consideration for RCVs? It would eliminate the boot problem with the poly cup and would give you stronger axles. Maybe use the ones you have as spares?

    I know its an expensive upgrade, but the Baja1000 and Ultra4 IFS guys are moving onto them.
     
  4. Jun 19, 2018 at 8:13 AM
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    RCV doesn't list anything for a tundra, but I'll call them

    what do you mean though? Like a completely different axle assembly?
     
  5. Jun 19, 2018 at 8:20 AM
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    None, yet....
    Si. It's still a CV, but a different style joint. Toyota runs rzeppa joints, which are strong and durable, but don't have enough angle. RCV runs a variation of this, but with stronger materials and can therefore clearance more to allow for higher angles. Also, they don't run boots. They run poly cups on the axles. Similar to the old Toyota birfields that had wiper seals on them. Technically the stub is exposed, but the cup is a stiff material that eliminates gunk from getting into the joint.
     
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  6. Jun 19, 2018 at 8:31 AM
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    I haven’t seen any out of the box solutions. I’m curious if Kartek has some type of solution. As far as tools go it all depends on the clamp. This is what I have.

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  7. Jun 19, 2018 at 8:40 AM
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    I'll give them a call. Sounds expensive though... lol

    Yeah the one in the middle looks like the clamp I have. I'll pick that one up

    Kartek has high angle boots, but only for the tacos and 1st gen tundra
     
  8. Jun 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM
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    CVJ said they have a silicone boot that will fit. But the lady on the phone said it was the same one as the 1st gen tundra. She said it would stretch and fit and they've done them before on 2nd gen tundra, but that doesn't make me feel good about it
     
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    I just got off the phone with RCV. They are working on a 2nd gen tundra axle. Super strong different joints etc. Probably the same idea as their tacoma axles. low $2k. He said lifetime guarantee. It won't be ready for a few months, but I'll probably go that route.
     
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    I've put this boot on my tacoma and a few 4runnners. A little modification needed for oem axles- you have to cut old axle boot for the "tri-lobe" style.
    http://www.offroadsolutions.com/products/high-angle-inner-cv-boot/
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    They stretch pretty well. I think you should be fine. I am not a big fan of band clamps/hose clamps, but @Porschetech29 has a great photo of the right tools for each clamp. Position the bellows is probably the most important part about the boots, and you also can put an anti slide boot mod.

    I also like the all-pro's I have a brand new set somewhere, they were spares for my tacoma. Those are a lot harder to stretch, but I think better seal on the shaft.
     
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    Those RCV are pure beef. LIFETIME guarantee is probably what makes it pricey.
    If anything just do the High angles on your current set with a rebuild, and you have some solid spares, or rollers if in case the RCV goes out and you have to send it in.
     
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    Well thats the problem, I don't think they will stretch enough. the tundra assembly is much bigger. But also, she said they weren't the style that reuse the old boot to seal. She said we have the round lip so I'm not sure whats going on.
     
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    I could see them being short on the tundra shafts. Which is where a boot slide mod would be great to have.
     
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    It's not just length. I'm leaking at the seal on the big part of the CV by the axle (and other spots). Stretching a boot that wasn't designed for this size and expecting it to seal doesn't seem like the right way to go.
     
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    Would RCV sell ya the boot that they use off their tundra kit?
     
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    I think @sdhq_offroad sells the oem replacement boots, can't seem to find it on their site anymore. Same lengths etc, just different materials.
     
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    No they said they don't sell just boots, only axle sets

    See my original post about SDHQ. They have a boot set that they say is stronger and more flexible than OEM, but I'm not sure. So far the only options I have are:

    1. OEM boots. I tried two different sets and 3 different clamps, can't get the leaking to stop at the seals.

    2. CVJ silicone boots. I don't have any information on these other than CVJ says they will send me 1st gen boots that will stretch to fit mine and they say they will fit.

    3. SDHQ boots. I am unconvinced that they will hold up, but so far they are the best option.

    4. RCV axle set. Very expensive and not available for several months.
     
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    Ah. Yes. Maybe that’s why I can’t find it on the site anymore?
    I like the silicone boots from cvj.
    The all pro ones, but I think that’s gonna be a tough stretch for tundra axles.
    Have you seen the boot slide mod? Would that help?
     
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    No boot slide mod stretches the boot so that it doesn't wear prematurely and get holes.

    Mine leak at all 8 seals under the clamps. Brand new OEM boots wese leaking as soon as I drove home from the shop. Took it back and they "re-adjusted" them and added some grease. they leaked again as soon as I got home. That was a different shop than the first shop who made 3 attempts

    I've been dealing with this problem since 2014
     
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    Just a word of caution, Alex. While the RCV axles are basically indestructible (ie. and why they're so expensive), with them on your truck you're basically moving the next point of weakness down the drivetrain line. This means your front differential or transfer case would be the next weakest link. With hard wheeling, such as fast in soft stuff or slow in hard rocks, you're putting a lot of stress on the drivetrain as it is. The RCV axles will be able to handle all of that and make you think your truck is bombproof now but that can be misleading and you'll probably be pushing the diff or case too hard and break those. There's a reason why most Tacoma owners opt to not get RCVs -- other than the insane price -- and stay stock with upgraded boots: when you're on the trail, it's much easier to fix a broken CV axle than to fix a broken diff or case ..and as a result much cheaper to repair and easier to carry spares.

    Just giving you another point of view but by all means continue to do your research before committing; plenty of posts on TW about what I was talking about.
     
  21. Jun 19, 2018 at 12:14 PM
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    I know we have discussed this many times but I feel you are chasing a problem that isn't really that big of an issue. Just clean it off and drive it. As long as dirt isn't getting in you will be good - don't think the boot needs to be full to lubricate the CV joint. I think the grease is getting squeezed out as it flexes and getting rid of the excess grease that it doesn't have room for. On my last off-road vehicle I filled the joint and then added a squirt inside the boot and had no issues for over 80K. Wasn't LT but never had a problem. My other Toyota has lost half of its boot on one side and has been exposed like that for a few years - haha
     
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    Yeah. Just as long as water and bs doesnt get in there you wil be good. Don't run it dry.

    Prior to clamping I always left a little breather straw in the boot so it doesnt vacuum as it goes in. A vacuum can also cause some leaks or pre-mature wear. I recommend doing Axles boots and clamping em off the truck(that’s just me), cleaning the shaft and axle ends as best as possible. Greasy, can cause a crappy clamp.
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    Also i ran the boot slide on the Tacoma. I never had an issue., but big difference from the long travel axles, so pre mature wear will probably be likely on LT shafts.
    I ended doing these damn Tacoma Axles like 6 times bc of little bs leaks or the boot still sliding at full droop. Each set I learned something new.
     
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    I'm not worried about breaking the diff or the CVs. The Tundra is beefy. I've done many hard miles of all different kinds of wheeling and I've never broken anything. I've also never heard of another tundra breaking a cv or front diff because of wheeling.

    I'm just trying to find a solution to keep the damn grease in the damn boots. No doubt RCV is expensive, I'm not sure they're worth the price. But my CVs are starting to click now and I need to figure something out

    I think that it may have been overfilled, or maybe not. Thats not really the issue. The real issue is that at full droop, the large end of both the inners and outers is getting pulled and opening up. The boots arent stretching enough. There is so much damn grease everywhere that I'm pretty sure they're dry now. Here, listen to this video. You can hear my CVs clicking now, especially near the end of the video

    https://youtu.be/s_I0phJL_9o

    I'm pretty sure they're dry now.
     
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    When modifying, one thing turns into another mod. Lol. Story of my life.

    I don’t have RCV’s and really wish I had ponied up for a set, or at least on the short side (solid axle first world problems).
    Pretty much everyone I Jeep with has RCVs with no failures.

    My first real world experiences with RCVs was in 2012 at Rock Junction event. I took out two front shafts during the event. Pretty expensive weekend. Anyway, T&T Customs had a test XJ Jeep they were trying to explode the front D30 with RCVs. Believe me, they tried everything that weekend on 37” tires.
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    We also have not had any diff or transfer case issues. As you stated, the Tundra is beefy but has limits. People that run 40s have something to worry about.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure the RCV will work well. But they're pretty expensive. Also, I there's a difference between solid axle and IFS; the tacomas were having issue with RCV when they first came out. But I haven't seen a complaint since 2013.

    I just don't know if its worth 2k when I don't have any issues with strength on the OEM axles. I just need to figure out a solution for the boots.
     
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    I went ahead and ordered the SDHQ boots for my LT build. I’m hoping it’s a better solution than OEM I guess we’ll see. My OEM’s on my 2017 started leaking at the clamp at 20k miles so dealer replaced them.
     
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    What kind of suspension do you have on the 2017??
     
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    I look at it like this, if your not having any failures yet with your kind of use, 2000.00 buys a lot of half shafts.

    With my kind of playing and running competition compound tires/size, the RCVs are almost a requirement. Under V8 power...most definitely.
     
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    I hear the clicking and sounds like a CV - HMM Even with some grease in there and not dirt/water they should be fine as they won't go dry for say. But it does sound like a problem. Sounds kind of like Roys did when he had a problem. Only way to tell is pull it apart, clean and inspect it to see how much grease is in the boot and how the joint looks.
     
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    Nothing fancy Bilstein 6112's on the top setting and CB shims all total a little over a 3" lift. Wheeling wise pretty minor I take it hunting so a few rocky trails up and down the mountains and the swaps out on the eastern shore.
     
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