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Grab the bottom of your steering wheel for me

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Airn890, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. Feb 3, 2021 at 11:46 AM
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    I have 20k on these tires... I don't know what is going on.
    I need to look into it more. The alignment shop didn't find anything loose.
     
  2. Feb 3, 2021 at 12:29 PM
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    A bad alignment or worn components will not cause a wheel shake. A wheel shake is cause by a rotating mass that is out of balance. Examples are tires, rims, brake rotors and drive axles. The most likely cause is the tires. Try moving front to back and see if it gets better.
     
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  3. Feb 4, 2021 at 9:33 AM
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    Yes,
    I understand that. Thank you for the input I appreciate it.
    That's my next move I am going to move them this weekend and see how it does.
    Maybe it just gives me an excuse to get new wheels and bigger tires. :broccoli:
     
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  4. Feb 12, 2021 at 6:21 PM
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    Airn890 - You’re explaining my exact issue. Almost a buzzing in the steering wheel that definitely gets worse in 4wd, and even more so with a load on the engine in 4wd, like when accelerating up a hill. 2020 crewmax TRD Pro, and it’s been there since the first mile and now I’m at 13,000 miles.

    I’m about to take it to the dealer but wanted to have some more detail about when it’s happening to help pinpoint the issue when I take it in. Seems like it’s getting worse over time.
     
  5. Feb 12, 2021 at 6:39 PM
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    I’ve taken it to 2 dealers and got corporate Toyota involved. Dealers say it’s totally normal. I haven’t been able to come up with a solution. Please update if you do
     
  6. Feb 12, 2021 at 7:25 PM
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    What does corporate Toyota have to say about it?
     
  7. Feb 12, 2021 at 7:31 PM
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    If they are saying it's normal ask them to take you for a test drive in a new Tunda to duplicate the noise.
     
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  8. Feb 13, 2021 at 5:26 AM
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    The dealer has to say there’s an actual problem before Toyota can send a rep
     
  9. Feb 13, 2021 at 6:04 AM
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    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    Exactly what I would do.

    Worst thing about Toyota is the dealers.
     
  10. Feb 13, 2021 at 8:00 AM
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    Your mistakenly thinking that the dealer is Toyota. They are an independent business that happens to sell and service Toyotas.
     
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  11. Feb 13, 2021 at 8:06 AM
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    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    I’m not confusing anything. But for clarity’s sake, what I’m saying is the worst part about owning a Toyota is dealing with the dealers, which as this thread illustrates can be an obnoxious pain in the rear end when one actually has an issue.
     
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  12. Feb 13, 2021 at 9:41 AM
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    As the old saying goes, a picture (or in your case video/audio) is worth a thousand words. Post up a video with audio from your phone with your hand on the wheel as you have described so we can see and hear what you are talking about. It will help the rest of us understand your problem.
     
  13. Feb 13, 2021 at 11:57 AM
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    There is no audio or video. It’s a buzzing in the steering wheel
     
  14. Feb 13, 2021 at 12:57 PM
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    It's the way it came across in the way you worded it.
    Not all dealers are bad. Find a good dealer and stay with them. My local dealer is terrible and I travel 100 miles to get to a fantastic dealer. A pain but worth the trip.
     
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    Sounds like the tech will have to drive your truck to troubleshoot something that subtle. I'm driving a '20, an '18 and '02 before that. I had a vibration once after a tire change. Turned out to be a bad KO2 BFG. America's Tire replaced and problem solved.
     
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  16. Feb 13, 2021 at 1:36 PM
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    I guess I’m feeling extra confrontational today...

    “Worst thing about Toyota is the dealers.” Nowhere in that statement is anything beyond the exlusive working relationship they enjoy with Toyota implied. You are mistakenly inferring it.

    All four around me that I’ve dealt with are less than honest. One of them, whose name rhymes with SCHMOYOTA OF POOL STINGS is appallingly so.
     
  17. Feb 13, 2021 at 3:10 PM
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    I think I see why your having so many problems with Toyota dealers.

    Well, good luck with all that. :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Feb 13, 2021 at 10:54 PM
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    I’m a nice guy. I’m sure you’re a nice guy. You called me out, and you happen to be wrong. Nothing more.

    Regarding the dealers...

    —One lied to me about their fees. Standard stuff that somehow we come to expect when shopping for a vehicle.
    —One lied to me about the tax rate (here, it’s 7% on vehicles but regular sales tax is 9.25%. Lots of dealers here calculate it at 9.25% on their sheets and pocket the extra 2.25%.)
    —One added “nitrogen filled tires” to their invoice for $1000 over Toyota invoice. I got them to remove it and actually worked out a deal with them. They’re the closest to what I’d call a good dealer.
    —The last one, in Cool Springs, literally added $1200 to my loan for no reason. The finance guy was trying to move me through the signing process really quickly before I could figure out what had been done. I had to ask him to look at the first page again. I know a lot of people on the forum used to get parts from them and have had good experiences, but I will never go there again for anything.
     
  19. Feb 14, 2021 at 12:07 AM
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    I believe what he’s trying to say is “ there’s a high frequency vibration in the steering wheel.”

    Perhaps we should play the process of elimination game and see if we can’t narrow down what’s vibrating at high frequency and what isn’t. Then link whatever would be attached to those components to the vibration.

    What are the “exact” circumstances of the frequency?

    Are there effects elsewhere? Dashboard, shifter maybe?

    High frequency would be brought on by rotational force I would guess.

    Things that spin at engine RPM and are slightly off balance will certainly cause such things.

    A torque converter
    A drive shaft
    Wheels
    Tires
    Brakes
    Engine internals

    narrow it down from there. What’s moving when parked? Anyway I’m going to bed but some food for thought.
     
  20. Feb 23, 2021 at 5:50 AM
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    Well, I'm not the OP, but I do have the same issue. Here's what I can tell so far.
    1. 4wd makes it worse
    2. At cruising speed, if I put it into neutral, the vibration is still there
    3. Sitting in park, revved to 2,000 RPM, I feel the engine is there, but not the vibration we're talking about here
    4. Maybe it's my mind, but I think it's worse at cold startup
    5. When it's at its strongest, I can feel a "pulsating", but most of the time its a constant vibration
    6. Braking doesn't make any difference, not better or worse
    7. I can feel it at RPM's from 1,000 to 2,000 and starting at pretty low speeds (this is not just a high speed vibration)
    8. I'm on the stock Michelin's. Its done this to some extent since brand new, although it's getting stronger.
    Thanks for thinking through this with us.
     
  21. Feb 23, 2021 at 6:06 AM
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    I believe it to be tire related. BFG, Goodyear, Michelin, all of the MFGs have put out tires that could not be balanced satisfactorily. Try getting them road force balanced first, if that doesn't work, buy new ones and take it back to the dealer and show them it is fixed, then ask for compensation.
     
  22. Feb 23, 2021 at 6:36 AM
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    Tire balance is certainly the first thing I'll ask them to do, and then go from there. It's the easiest and most likely candidate, but I haven't heard a lot of reports of the stock Michelin's having balancing issues.
     

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