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Gen 4 Deal Breakers

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by chadjamesr, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Jan 11, 2019 at 12:15 PM
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    Deal breakers would be forced induction or other non-reliable goofiness ie. etorq, afm (please stick with a V8) and loss in reliability, which wont be known for a couple years after released.

    Things I would like to see include better/more interior storage, better seats (limited seats aren't that great), fuel economy (not at expense of reliability), smoother ride. Not that these are terrible, but could be improved. Also all the stuff we have to add, bed lights, tailgate locks, etc, should be oem. Don't go to far with electronic switches to release tailgate or doors, but electric locks are reliable enough.
     
  2. Jan 11, 2019 at 12:33 PM
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    Jeez 442 at 1600rpm, that's pretty impressive.
     
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  3. Jan 11, 2019 at 12:38 PM
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    Allot of people here say they don't want a Turbo V6, but if one came out and put out 550 hp with just a chip, intake, and exhaust, half of the people on here would be talking about how bad ass the Tundra Turbo V6 is and how it smokes everything else.
     
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  4. Jan 11, 2019 at 12:40 PM
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    The problem with the turbos is reliability is less, repairs cost money and if you actually use it as a truck then you are in boost all the time and the fuel mileage goes out the window.
     
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  5. Jan 11, 2019 at 12:46 PM
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    I agree and disagree with this comment. Diesel trucks use turbos almost exclusively and they seem to last forever if built right. I'm sure Toyota could build a turbo system that would meet most people's expectations (although I might have to take that back considering the thread on cam tower leaks).

    As I drive in town 90% of the time a turbo V6 would be on boost most of the time and not help my mpg. This is the reason why I would still take the V8. For others, the turbo V6 should do much better on the highway MPG as well as having power at higher elevations. Obviously a V8 should stay in the lineup, but a turbo V6 does have it's place if built right.
     
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  6. Jan 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM
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    Most turbos on the diesel trucks don't last forever, the motors can but turbo failures can be common. Its just another component that can break/go wrong. For me I would also be in boost most the time as I'm usually pulling a trailer, n/a v8 cant be beat for truck duty.
     
  7. Jan 11, 2019 at 1:02 PM
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    I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon but deal breakers would be:

    Decreased reliability
    No increase in unloaded fuel economy (towing economy is irrelevant to me, will be bad no matter what motor type)
    Auto start-stop crap
    No technology upgrades (Carplay/Android Auto, premium sound options etc, a la RAM/FCA with UConnect and Premium Audio systems)
    Ugly exterior and ugly interior
    Limited interior options without any premium appointments to them other than at the very top of the line model (Again, RAM/FCA with their interiors....they're the best right now IMO)


    Honestly have no problem with a twin turbo V6 if the motor can do 500k-1 million miles with no significant work needing to be performed as with the current V8's

    I think they should offer a TT V6, a NA V8, and a factory supercharged V8...not a "Toyota sanctioned" kit that can be added at the dealer....a factory supercharged motor (Again RAM/FCA, beat them at their own game and have a supercharged factory truck)
     
  8. Jan 11, 2019 at 1:09 PM
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    Toyota quality and the torque where it’s needed.
     
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  9. Jan 11, 2019 at 1:15 PM
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    If you know how to take care of a turbo/SC, maintenance is really no more. I’ve seen diesels come into the shop with over 300k (a few with over 400k miles) on the factory turbo. Most people do not keep trucks that long.

    In the boost with a turbo or floored with a NA V8, I don’t see a benifit on the NA side of things.
     
  10. Jan 11, 2019 at 1:21 PM
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    That's what she said.
     
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  11. Jan 11, 2019 at 1:23 PM
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    The reason for this is turbos are sized for factory specs. Now you have people adding injectors (commonly called sticks) programmers and overboosting a maxed out turbo. This is why it’s very common to see failed turbos. Same in gas motors. Even worse since gas burns hotter.

    When I built diesels, you have to build it right. Head studs with over 40 psi manifold pressure, upgraded compressor/turbine/housing, injectors, fueling, tune/programming.

    I would hit 45 lbs of boost frequently. Hell, stock tuning on my Dodge was 31-32 psi boost. We would never see this on a TT V6.
     
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  12. Jan 11, 2019 at 1:44 PM
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    The wife is still talking about your truck. Thanks Ron!!
     
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  13. Jan 11, 2019 at 5:18 PM
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    I think it's funny how every time we get a "new and updated" model the owner seems to pay more and get less. I bought my 2015 Taco to get a platform that had 10 years to figure out the bugs and get it right. I still have it and still love that truck. I bought a 2018 Tundra for much of the same reasons. They burn gas and some of them have the cam tower seal issue, but overall the bugs are gone and they are rock solid reliable trucks. I kinda wish I had a 2017 to avoid the sensors and bullshit in the grill, but mine hasn't given me any trouble yet. The turd gen tacos have had a ton of complaints with the auto trans. I get it that everyone wants a truck that gets 25MPG, but I can afford the gas compared to the reliability and repair bills of my buddies that have a 5.3 GM (oil burner) or a ecoboost that hasn't been right from day one. 6.5' bed crewmax would be nice at times, but the longer wheel base is annoying in the parking lot. I generally keep my trucks for 10 years, so in 2025 I guess it will be an issue when the tacoma is ready to go. The tundra doesn't see any salt so who knows how long I can keep that one LOL.
     
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    I'm pretty happy with the current gen. Increase the payload, fix the cam tower leak, call it good.
     
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    X2, problem is by 2025 were only going to be left with trucks that have all the BS on them to purchase. I was just at my local autoshow tonight and they had a 2019 Tacoma trd off-road there for 42k, my wife's 2012 trd offroad Tacoma we bought new was only 33k. Insane that in that time frame it has increased 9k in price and sitting in it I just didn't feel it was worth the extra cost. I hope the Tundra doesn't go this route. They also had the new ranger there, 45k on that truck...I bought my Tundra for 34k. Vehicles are getting crazy!
     
  17. Jan 11, 2019 at 7:04 PM
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    Check out the Dyno curves in the article below:
    https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/...ter-ecoboost-v6-and-5-0-liter-v8-engines.html

    The flatter torque curve in the NA is a huge plus, you don't have to be in the right spot RPM wise to get the torque you need. Combine that with the unbalanced v8 sound and it's an easy choice for me which I would buy.
     
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    More options like the size of the tacoma but with the 5.7 V8 with rear diff lock and crawl control or locking center diff like the landcruiser. Landcruiser seats with tacoma backseat storage, light 17” wheels like the rock warrior wheels or just continue making them again with the proper offset to avoid UCA rubs. They do that, then I’d possibly trade....
     
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    Realistically you will be towing at 18-2500 rpm more constant. Let's just call it 2500 rpm. Looking at the graphs:

    HP

    V6 - 160
    V8 - 135

    Torque

    V6 - 335
    V8 - 260

    I know which one will tow better. Also, take into consideration altitude losses of 1.5% for forced induction per 1000' and 3% for NA per 1000'. At 8-9000' where I live, certain motors will be breathing rather hard.
     
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    Lol, thanks!

    That being said, there’s a few things I wish Toyota would’ve included on mine but the next gen will have to be pretty damn impressive to get me to trade what I have now.
     
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    Inflation is a bitch. Play around with this...
    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com
    In 1976 my gramps retired and bought a base model gmc heavy half 2wd pickup. No a/c, am radio, automatic, 350v8....
    Today's price??? You would have $15,887 to buy a base model chevy truck.
    In 1966 my pops bought a corvette 327cu, 350hp 4-speed, fastback for $3550.... (gramps was PISSED!) today you would have a whopping $27,515 to go out and get yourself a brand new corvette!!!
    Finally in 2015 I paid $31,500 for my tacoma crew cab TRD sport 4x4... Today you have $33,425 to buy the same truck new.

    I paid $42,000 for my 2018 crew max, sr5, off road. We are losing the battle with our dollar. Salaries are not keeping up and cell phones are $1000. Cable TV? $150/month. In 2025 I just cringe at what these will cost. I might just frame off restore something cool that can be fixed in my garage and drive that. They are just trucks.
    Fun fact... I still have pop's old car...IMG_0026.jpg
     
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    This is exactly why I HAVE to buy used....Unless I hit the lottery, I won't buy anything new again....and I don't play lottery anymore :)[/QUOTE]
     
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  23. Jan 12, 2019 at 9:43 AM
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    Nice vette! Hold on to that forever!
     
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    RE @Watt maker
    The car is a family heirloom. I don't feel like I own it, I'm just it's current care taker. All numbers match. The only thing non original is the paint, carb, and tires. I have the original carb. just turned 60k last summer.
     

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