GAS LEAK - 2022 Tundra Finally Leaked Recall

Not been able to be repaired before which called for the lemon law movement but then the law allowing it to be sold again to another person? I guess that is about par for the course now days it seems. This shit is really F’d up

 

I'm still a Toyota fan (I have a couple of old Land Cruisers) ha but not this time. I got an F350 for more capability for my needs. I won't be the test subject for new model years again, I learned my lesson on this one. They put a window sticker on that states the truck will be sold at auction. Technically since it was settled out of court it is not labeled legally as a lemon.

 

I'm going to be avoiding used ones for a few more years anyways.

I ask that because I wonder if it would be listed on the carfax. Every time I see a vehicle being sold with a year of purchase and with low miles, that is what I think it is, a buy back.

 

Sounds like the answer is there, if they do not have to claim it as a lemon then they can make money but since it was settled out of court they can. Based on that statement I would say it will not show on CarFAX

 

This was applied to the window for reference

 

I believe this to be correct. Only the service records should show on a carfax

EDIT: During this process, it seems that Toyota always settles out of court to keep their reliability record intact. If they go to court and don't win it is labeled as a lemon legally and dings their record.

 

I did a quick carfax search in my area. Carfax does have a lemon law stipulation in which they will buy it back if you find it was a "lemon law" buyback. Yours appears to bypass this.

The one I was looking at was a 2022 at a lexus dealership, 1 owner with only 7,xxx miles on it.

I would likely pass on this because of the above bypassing lemon law reporting.

Now if it was a Certified Pre Owned at a Toyota dealer I would take the chance because of the extended factory warranty included.

Just how I think when buying used.

 

I think this is a good thing to think about now. Someone should pull a carfax on my vin in a month or 2 and see what the report says.

EDIT: It may say 2 owners. Maybe if it lists Toyota as the second owner it could be a indicator?

 

they really need to get away from the set times to do a task. i mean if it takes a tech 4 hrs to actually do a task and toyota will only pay you 1 hr, of course techs will leave the business eventually. all it does it promote techs to do shortcuts or do sub standard work. and i know not all techs are like that, but if you are doing 2 jobs a day and only getting paid for 2 hrs of work vs 8 hrs of actual work, it doesnt pay the bills.

 

Would you buy this vehicle with a carfax history like this? Me, NO.

 

3 of the 5 yellow are the same recall.

and if you think that is bad, go look at some of the domestics. that recall list for the tundra is pretty tame to what some of the domestic have on recall

 

I do often. I haven't seen this bad in quite awhile.

My point is I don't trust low mileage short duration ownership sold so quickly from any manufacturer.

Bringing it back in at 76 miles and 1,3xx miles is a tipoff before I saw the recalls. No wonder they got rid of it.

 

Here is the one on my 2018 I picked up last fall.

Notice a difference?

 

it also could be a person who cant put up with any issues period, each person has a different threshold on bs. but then again if you look at the ford f150 (i can only find a quick look at 2022)

14 recalls and some are downright scary

https://www.cars.com/research/ford-f_150-2022/recalls/?page_size=20

 

ok so you are trying to justify a 2yr gen vs a gen that has had over 10 yrs to fine tune. its an apple to oranges comparison.

 

Agreed.

I am the point, I don't know which if any of the new 1/2 ton trucks I'd buy used from 2022 through now.

 

There should be not be this much "fine tuning" on trucks in this price range.

 

right now it doesnt matter what oem you buy from, they all have issues.

its just a matter of which recalls break your risk threshold. heck my 2014 4runner had a recall on a stupid sticker saying the payload was actually lower than what the factory put on originally.

edit: it was lower by 8 lbs, so they had a recall to put a new yellow sticker stating that fact. but fed rules are just that, it required a recall

 

One important detail about Toyota vs. other manufacturers. Toyota ALWAYS settles these cases out of court. They do it for two reasons:
1) Lemon laws settled / judged in court go into government statistics, included NHTSA. Manufacturers who have a lot of lemon law cases get extra scrutiny.
2) Court settlements / judgments are publicly available information that can make it into CARFAX, news, etc.
Toyota uses out of court settlements to artificially keep the reported number of lemon cars low (lower than any other manufacturer). It's all about preserving their reputations / saving face. In reality, Toyota has about the same number of lemon cases as any other manufacturer, they just are good at hiding this information.

 

Buy back vehicles can be resold, but part of that transaction the facts around the buy-back must be disclosed to the buyer and any actions by the manufacturer to remedy the problem.

Should this not be disclosed to the buyer that new buyer can make the manufacturer buy it back again!

 

Just to clear this up, I believe "buy back" is another term for "lemon" on the legal side of things. Since this was settled out of court, my vehicle is not a "lemon" and there was no "buy back" legally. It was just two parties that agreed on a price and sold the truck. This sort of out-of-court agreement isn't subject to any of the disclosures you are talking about.

 

Exactly. Toyota is expert in hiding inconvenient information. They not only do that with buy-backs (lemons), they also hide safety issues and have a history of cheating (just look at the recent scandal with cheating on crash tests by Daihatsu, a fully-owned Toyota subsidiary, as well as cheating on tests of their diesel engines in both Japan and USA). Toyota is the most unethical of all automotive companies.

 

then why are you here?