Freaking Low Payload

I am no expert at this and still remain confused about J2807. All I know is it is a standardized test that all the light duty truck manufacturers have accepted to use. There is no third party verification, so like fuel mileage ratings SAE accepts the manufacturers word on its tow ratings.

J2807 from what I can tell only pertains to towing ratings and GCWR. Has absolutely nothing to do with payload.

I have not ever got a clear answer to payload ratings. I have asked an attorney, several law enforcement, and a couple sheriffs of surrounding counties. Pretty much all have said it is real simple.... You can not go over the GVWR listed on sticker of vehicle. Our CRO (Chief Risk Officer) at work says same thing. GVWR is posted on truck and can not go over. He is in charge of all our fleet and managing our insurance/risk program with 30+ years experience.

I really think the 2 150 pound passengers is only in play with towing. There is not a 300 lb. buffer with GVWR. In other words, if payload is listed in door of Tundra as 1,280, you don't have an extra 300 pounds or can legally go up to 1,580.

You may have a driver that weighs 150 pounds or 400 pounds. That is and should be accountable in payload.

Again, I am no expert but if you ask enough people, law of averages of answers should apply and no 300 lb. buffer with payload.

 

Law enforcement can strongly suggest you shouldn't go over GVWR for obvious reasons but as far as enforcement unless you have a CDL and are driving professionally your not breaking any laws.

 

I agree not breaking any laws. Just the whole argument of your safety and the safety of anyone around you comes into play.

I have heard of litigation in courts with insurance denying claims, payouts, etc..... but ai would guess one would have to be pretty darn blatant and ridiculously over payload, but who knows.

From talking to our insurance agent, I would not want to chance it if I was ever in an accident.

 

That's why I commented that you should go over gvwr for obvious reasons. Your insurance will cover you for stupidity. They do it all the time for drunk drivers.

 

Does anyone know what the actual GAWR's are on the Toyota Axles? Does toyota make their own axles or are they built by someone else? For instance Ram Axles are made by AAM and the axles are de rated by Ram. The GAWR's are also limited by the tires, and wheel size. So for safety's sake, for example. The 2013 Ram 3500 has a 10,000 lb GAWR by AAM, which is 3000 more than the rating on the sticker by Ram, the caveat is that is with the stock tires and wheels when the truck was built. So if you know the actual GAWR by the Axle manufacturer you should be able to determine with the correct tires and wheels a safe threshold for weight.

 

100k would be nice. I’m trading modern diesels at 40-50k as the problems start all brands. I don’t gaf what brand it is. If it works and is reliable I want it….still on the search.

 

If you don't tow heavy every day or often, you don't need a diesel, and are probably better off with a HD gas. Best thing that ever happened when I was shopping for an HD truck was a fleet manager friend of mine talked me out of a diesel.....

 

Just buy a motorhome.

 

Agree. Except it’s hitched to a trailer and tows daily. And isn’t a daily driver except to get back to the jobsite if the trailer is left overnight. 16 years of doing this. Last truck that was worthy was a 2006 duramax…pre emissions. Imagine that!

 

I have one. V10 Gas. Haha.

 

All emissions problems.

 

The weight doesn't sound terrible but it looks longer than I'd be comfortable with in a halfton.

 

Those square wheel wells are pretty hideous, and reason enough to haul them away.

 

How in the “F” is that cost effective?!? You don’t have boulders more local. I have a pile of them if you want them. They don’t call NH the granite state for nothing! Ha

 

It’s already been traded in. Ford in the yard now.

 

Good luck with it.

 

So far…not so good. But honestly what can you buy that’s capable and not junk?

 

Same! Darn wind man would scare me straight

 

I do have this too but it’s not quite as capable.

 

No that was soon to be a Chevy. Then the Chevy turned into a Ford. I have 0 brand loyalty. I just want to go to work and make $$. I can’t do that if truck is on wrecker or at a dealer.