Fairly critical take on how Toyota has repositioned the Tundra

Welcome to Canuckistan. That will be $100 please. Plus $14 in goods/service tax, plus $8 provincial tax, plus $10 green tax, plus $5 because-Canada-tax, plus $27 because-fuck-you-tax.

 

Here in WA State, used cars truly are more expensive than the new ones.

I almost bought a 2022 Tundra SR5 4x4 for MSRP+$900 (about $53k) in the Seattle area, and on the same lot they had a 2019 Sequoia SR5 with 30k miles for $71k

Oh, and our sales tax is just under 11% now

 

His numbers are probably in CAD. Plus there are a lot of 2WD Tundra's in Florida. 2WD trucks do not hold value well at all and you can get good deals on them even new. They probably don't sell a 2wd truck in Canada.

 

Did Toyota change the design? How are the back seats supported when down ?

Why ? Interested in your opinion.

 

Me personally with my 2020, the 22 doesn’t warrant the MSRP price tag. If we weren’t in the situation we are in right now and they where discounting them then I would think about it. But I probably still wouldn’t because of the first couple of year issues. I would still wait for Toyota to make updates and get stuff taken care of.

 

I know this wasn't directed at me but, in my opinion, the third gen doesn't move the needle enough to justify replacing a paid off truck that should still have 10+ years of life in it. If your truck is older, in need of replacement or non-existent, by all means, give the 2022 a look. But, unless your 2014 already has a million miles on it, why bother even considering a new truck?

 

You didn’t ask me, but I agree with @Outbound. My reasoning is, I don’t care to buy another truck for 10 years. I have a paid off, rock solid truck with an insane amount of service life left. It’s a proven platform with a long history of dependability. This is what the 3rd gen lacks for me at this point. And it’s the factor that dwarfs all others. Buying a new truck at this point would just be chasing the new thing, which is a cycle I am in no way interested in beginning.

 

What about a 2013 with 225k on it? Some people just want to update the style/MPG specially with gas prices at 4.30. A new 4x4 version gives me almost 10MPG more than my current 2013.

 

If you get 10 in your 2013, there’s absolutely no way you’re getting 21 in a 2022.

I’m getting 16 (dash and hand calc are almost identical) in a mildly built ‘21. I would probably get 21 combined in a ‘22.

Do what you want. Buy what you want. But don’t pretend dropping $60k plus on a new truck that gets 5mpg better than your current truck according to your driving style is saving money.

If you really want to save money, return your truck to stock if it isn’t, keep it under 65mph, and do not spend time in P idling.

 

That's not a 2.5 gen.

None of us can tell you how to spend your own money, we can only offer advice. A few things to consider, though:

What's the EPA fuel economy rating on your current truck? If you're not hitting that, I don't think it's realistic to assume that you'll hit the EPA rating in a 3rd Gen. Maybe it would be more realistic to assume 18-21 mpg, rather than 23 (I'm just making up numbers off the top of my head because I can't remember the rating for either the 13 or the 22; you'll have to do your own figuring to see what makes sense).

See if you can find the calculation I did on here for the payback period on buying a new truck for better fuel economy; I can't remember if it was in this thread or another one. You'll have to adjust all the assumptions for your area and use but, in my case, it said the payback period on an 6 mpg improvement is over 10 years and could be up to 30.

 

That's why I only idle in N.

 

LOL, what i am saying is that i could potentially get up to 10MPG more in the '22. If i got 10MPG in this truck i would have dumped it a long time ago. I drive for a living and do a lot of idling. This is why i was thinking about the Hybrid version. I inspect transmission lines across the state so i do a lot of low MPH driving. I was just saying that the upgrade for me would be that alure of MPG from this hybrid powertrain potential. My truck gets about 14.5-15.5 right now.

This vehicle is all a matter of perspective and who wants to do what. The '13 has done me well for nearly 10years since I bought it brand new. Its staying in the family.

 

I get that, I am getting about 15-16 currently. How long do you think this current motor '13 will last before it starts to need major attention? Im guessing 1 year. So do i want to start thowing thousands of dollars into it every other month? everyone has to think about their own finances. For me, needing a vehicle for my job that I know will be covered under warranty and having the extra MPG to boot is appealing, to me atleast.

 

I think it will last until at least a million miles. But it's your truck and your money. I'm just offering another perspective.

 

What makes you think only one more year? There are too many 500k+ mile 2nd gens out there that only needed routine maintenance to reach that milestone to think that your truck doesn’t have a lot of life left.

 

Quite honestly at this point I would trust your '13 more than a '22 at this point. Give Toyota 2 years to work out the bugs. We're just able to go off generalities so maybe you know something really big is about to happen, but in general you may need a water pump in the near future but that's about it.

 

As everyone loves pointing out it's a brand new platform that while very likely will be just as reliable as the old one, it's still currently unproven. The fuel economy gains really won't make much difference in the finance department. Plus, unless you're putting a ton of miles on per year or have some other ongoing mechanical issues, even someone who owns a 2014 really shouldn't need to look at a new truck for at least another 2 years. Most of us Toyota guys buy these trucks for the longevity. The only real reason to go to the 3rd Gen from a 2.5 is to have the new shiny. If that's your thing and you can afford it, have at 'er. But in that case don't go on about reliability because if you're buying a new truck every 3 to 5 years, generally any brand will do. Toyotas are 10+ year ownership vehicles.

 

I agree with all the mpg talk. I've been in a 22 since January. Unless you drive like a grandmother, you wont sniff the sticker specs for fuel economy. Best I've got in my hybrid is 19 mpg on the highway. IMO if you're in a position to make money off your trade and still owe for several years on it, there's no reason not to make the switch to a comparable trim. My truck cant be more than 5 years old for my work auto allowance. So i'll probably pay off my pro and get a nice commuter when that time comes. As far as reliability, time will tell on the 3rd gen. However, even with the minute QC glitches that were happening when they first hit dealerships, I don't see why it wouldn't be as reliable if not more, based on my driving of the truck.

 

He mentioned that he idles a lot for work. In his 225k miles he may have the equivalent run time hours as someone who drove 500k with minimal idling. JMO.

 

In my land cruiser with the 5.7 I went 300k before I hit the point of repairs not making sense anymore. There’s more than just motor at that stage that needs to be taken care of and considered. It’s not just the motor that wears and even so when the best time fiscally to move on. I’ve know a lot of “this will last forever” guys who never kept a truck past 200k themselves. Look at the total health of your truck and decide what’s best for you. Even if it’s because you just want a new truck.

 

In what city can he get parking right in front of the restaurant he wants to go to? Bahaha. I know its a commercial but the first thing I thought was, "damn that's gonna be a ticket for sure"

 

I won't speak for anyone else, but this does not inspire confidence in me as a potential buyer.

And as far as capability, you feel like the payload and towing gives the F150 "a run for it's money"?

Serious question.

 

My wife drives a 22' F-150, so yes I know so. The numbers look good on paper, but when you actually attempt the payload and towing capacities, you'll find you're having to work pretty hard driving wise at about half the capacity. And thats only hauling horses and a bed full of feed, and other miscellaneous items. My tundra tows much more comfortably than her ford. I'm a fan of fords too btw.

 

To me this just outlines how Ford can set up their trucks different because they have options - want to tow/haul primarily go for a Super Duty but want a comfy ride get the F150 to do the odd heavy jobs. Toyota is kinda stuck since they only have the 1 option - set it up to tow/haul (like the 2nd gen) and the suburbanites complain saying it's too harsh, but set it to comfort and pushing the limits on loading it would become unstable and drive away people who work with their truck.

 

How much does all of that good stuff weigh?
Seems like a decent load for a half ton...

 

Thanks. That's the kind of real world feedback I'm looking for.

 

Pretty sure the 3rd Gen has more payload and towing capacity than the 2nd Gen as well as more horsepower and torque, making it a better truck since not only is it more capable, it's more comfortable too. It just doesn't have tow hooks or a bumper step.

 

The 3rd gen is not competing against the 2nd gen. It is competing against Ford, RAM, and Chevy.

 

I know, the guy I quoted though was comparing it to the 2nd gen by inferring the 2nd gen is set up for towing/hauling and the 3rd gen isn't.