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Dilemma???

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by matluth, Jul 10, 2015.

  1. Jul 10, 2015 at 12:19 AM
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    I am the biggest proponent of the 2nd Amendment you will find. My father taught me how to shoot when I was 10. Was reloading 30-30's with RCBS Rock Chucker at 12. Today I had to call 911 because a 7 year old boy at my neighbor's house was shot in the head by a another neighbor's kid by accident. All over the news here. Youngest kid there was the 7 year old. Oldest was 12. 6 kids in all. No adult around. The boy is still fighting for his life. Needless to say I will get no sleep tonite. This should be about being responsible for your actions. According to the lead detective no law was broken. Accident. Possible negligence by leaving a 12 year old in charge. Father is a good man but F'd up. Was at work. Is it time to have mandatory safety class before buying a hand gun? I just saw a seven year old boy with what looked like a 22 hole in his ear with eyes rolled up, fists clenched, barely breathing because of negligence, irresponsibility by one individual. It's one thing to read about something like this in the news. But when you experience this up close, it's a different story. This is the worst day of my life since my dad died. I hope this young boy makes it thru the night and has a full life.
     
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  2. Jul 10, 2015 at 3:38 AM
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    That is a sad case of negligence. I am hoping for that little boy to pull thru!
     
  3. Jul 10, 2015 at 6:00 AM
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    Was his gun secured? If so, it's not negligence...maybe those kids who has it were able to get to the secured location....that may have been high up, and locked, or hidden..

    I taught my daughter about firearms since she knew about them...I taught her the importance if she sees one, not to touch it and to come get mom or I...she knows the power build them and how it can kill someone.


    Edit: Aurora doesn't have any statutes pertaining to securing a firearm. Weird

    "Police say the city does not have any laws that require residents to lock up firearms. It's not clear what type of firearm was used or how the boy got the weapon."
     
  4. Jul 10, 2015 at 6:01 AM
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    here is the news story.
     
  5. Jul 10, 2015 at 6:19 AM
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    Very sorry you had to go through that Matluth... My thoughts and prayers go out to the boy and his family and to you! I HATE seeing stuff like this... It makes it difficult for us gun folk to argue with the gun haters when this stuff happens. How is it so hard to keep your firearms up and out of the reach of kids??? Good lord..... Ugh... Sorry again...
     
  6. Jul 10, 2015 at 7:51 AM
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    I refused to talk to the local news. They said I didn't have to show my face. Aurora has already attempted once to force gun owners to keep their guns secured at all times. These news people have an agenda and would no doubt edit what ever I say to fit their narrative. I do know now that the seven year old accidently shot himself while playing with the gun. One of the officers still next door did tell me that there may be neglect charges. Duh. On a lighter note, I've seen my truck in all the news coverage. It was actually inside the yellow tape for about four hours while they restricted traffic/kooky Lu's. My son talked to Fox and NBC and was on their local newscast. I just ignored them. There is already another push to regulate gun storage in Aurora again this morning because of my dumb ass neighbors neglect. All this does is fire up the anti gun crowd. Hard to understand why someone would leave a loaded hand gun unsecured where children could easily get it. I feel like kicking his ass but I haven't seen him and in enough trouble as it is and he is a nice guy. Messed up big time. The house is still taped off with a police car out front. At least the news people have gone.
     
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  7. Jul 10, 2015 at 8:37 AM
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    Extremely sad.
    Education is paramount.
     
  8. Jul 10, 2015 at 9:22 AM
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    very sad news
     
  9. Jul 10, 2015 at 10:26 AM
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    It's still a crime scene as they are obtaining a search warrant and nothing in the house can be touched until they serve their warrant.
     
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    Oh wow so sad. Hope the boy pulls through. Prayers go out to the boy, family, neighbors and you.
     
  11. Jul 10, 2015 at 7:08 PM
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    Crime scene unit arrived at 4pm and left about 45 minutes ago. took that long for a search warrant. I had my 3rd final interview then by the lead detective. I turned down again 4 times to be interviewed by FOX31 today even though the reporter was hot as hell (we are talking FOX) and even pouted. Didn't work. The boy is now in serious condition, down from critical. May actually make it.

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    Which Fox reporter? Aristea Brady... :drool:

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    Very sad indeed. Always feels more real when it's so close to home. Had friends in middle school that were involved in a similar situation not far from there. One of them never walked again after the accident.
     
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    Oof... Makes my stomach clench. For the love, I have no idea why people don't lock their guns up. Kids are kids and will undoubtedly get it and play with it no matter how many times you tell them not to or even find it if it's hidden. Honestly I don't know what the answer to this is except have some damn common sense and lock you weapons up!!!

    Sorry Matt, that's horrible. I hope the little boy makes it. Let us know.
     
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    Sorry to hear man. Keep us updated on his status
     
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    I have a story like this that was close to home. House just around the corner had about 5 kids that lived in a four bedroom house with parents and grandparents. My brother was closer in age to the older of the kids there and was over there every once in a while. The mom did child care during the day as well so the place was always packed with kids. The parents let the kids do the watching of the day care kids from what I saw. One day the dad was gone, grandparents gone, mom left to run an errand and left the kids with a few of the daycare kids. The kids that lived there decided to play with their dads gun. It was loaded and went off, luckily it only hit another kid in the foot and wasn't life threatening. Don't know much after that but the house was for sale a few months later.
     
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    She be the one. I can officially say I turned her down her advances four times yesterday. heh heh. My son's girlfriend is a news hound. Likes the 15 minutes. I had nothing to say about it. The cops ask me if I made any comments and I said hell no. They laughed because my truck is full of pro gun stickers and being a witness first hand made me a prime target. The boy is still improving somewhat. Hugo,the owner of the handgun, was allowed home last night after crime techs left with a few brown bags. Needless to say he is feeling pretty miserable. He knows it's time to face the music. Not sure if he will talk to the press. Once the press finds out he is back,they will certainly be knock'in.
     
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    Sad to hear about another child hurt by possible negligent owner.
    Have two kids and both know what to do if they come across a firearm. And most of their friends also.
    It's the parents who don't educate their kids about firearms or not to touch what's not theirs that scares me.
     
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    Still alive. Can't get any more info other than what's on the news. :amen::amen::amen::amen::amen:
     
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    Hope the kids doing better. Really unfortunate that happened
    Not a big fan of "mandatory" anything by our government, we're supposed to be a free population.
    However, i'd reserve your judgement until a few months from now to decide what you feel is best. A lot of people demand knee-jerk legislation, and make uninformed and ill-thought out opinions and views due to thinking more with emotion, rather than logic and reason.
     
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    Actually I am quite fine and my informed, reasonable, non-knee jerk opinion is well thought out. I wasn't born yesterday. The problem is that the city of Aurora almost passed mandatory gun storage ordinance last year which would affect ALL gun owners that live here in this liberal controlled city because of knee jerk , emotional BS because of a wacko that shot up a gun free zone movie theater. I would rather see a one time only mandatory hand gun gun safety course on new handgun purchases than more severe efforts to restrict what I can do with my gun. Nothing emotional or irrational, illogical, or "feel good" about a hand gun safety course. No different than the hunting safety course required (mandatory) by most states. No difference at all. And the population stays FREE and my gun rights are not infringed. If you can show proof of a NRA approved hunter safety or handgun course at time of purchase then safety course requirement has been met. Piece of cake. Of course this is a common sense issue. The problem is that not everybody is taught about gun safety by their fathers, military, or LEO service. Unfortunately common sense is not a requirement to buy a handgun. Maybe if my neighbor had to take a 4 hour handgun safety class we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with and Aurora anti gun liberals on the city council wouldn't be trying to pass another infringement on my gun rights and all gun owners that live here. I'd rather toss the city council the small safety course bone that may actually be of value than what their alternative might be.
     
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    :( sorry Matt. Hope all parties involved are coping and learning from this.
     
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    No that I am back at work, most of my buddies here are gun owners/hunters. We are all waiting to see how the city council is going to react. May be they will do nothing, but not likely. Can't let an event like this go to waste.
     
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    Now that things are back to normal, I thought I'd post a few random pics I took of last weeks incident on todays third anniversary of the Aurora theater wacko shooting:

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    No charges? Seriously?
    The father took his 2nd Amendment right for granted, and therefore should loose that right!
     
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    I know, crazy. City council now has "ammo" to push for another feel good law. There is already a clamor to do just that after yesterdays' non charges by the prosecutor. Once again, one moron f**ks it up for everyone else. I talked to the officer parked outside the house next door where this happened the day after. Crime scene people had not entered the house yet. I took the day off so I was able to have a good conversation on and off with him thru out the day. Let him use the bathroom a few times. heh heh. He said said no gun law was broken and it would be up to the prosecutor to determine if there was any negligence. Apparently not it seems. "unfortunate" accident. Hugo,the negligent (my words) gun owners' son Angel (12) lied to me. He told me "someone got my dad's gun, shot him, and ran away". Thought that didn't ring true then from what I was seeing play out right in front of me at the time. Turns out he,Angel, accidently shot the 7 year old after finding the gun in his dads coat pocket. That's a real good way to secure your weapon where kids are present. The boy is now in stable condition and was able to finally talk to investigators and clear things up somewhat. Was shot just above the eye and lived. Hope the injured boys' family sues the bejesus out of Hugo in civil court for everything he's got and then some. A co-worker just reminded me to expect to be headed to civil court as a witness at some point. Great.:frusty:
     
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    I had to get my 2 cents in here. I'm military, and just like the others here own many POWs. I have taught and trained my kids about the safetys of firearms, extensively. And I know that when I leave the house there will be no attempts at touching or even trying to touch my weapons.

    That being said I have not trained anyone elses kids, and I will NEVER leave my oldest boy in my house with his friends alone without an adult knowing that I have weapons in the house. I remember what it was like to be a teenager and what your friends can convince you to do. I trust my son and my daughter, but I don't trust any one elses.

    Anyways, sad to hear but just let it be a lesson to anyone who doesn't treat their firearms with the utmost respect.

    Oh and Hi, new member. I like the format here better than the other tundra forums. I used to have a Tundra, also my first truck was a 1987 Toyota (still running with over 350k on it) but had to return back to tundra (from a 2012 Cummins 2500) when the pro came out. I really like the concept!
     
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    Welcome from CO. Post some pics when you get chance. My dad taught me me at an early age about guns and gun safety. I think I was around ten when I got my first .22 marlin lever. I was good about taking his advice and following rules. The fact that he was a Major in the Marine Corps might have had some bearing on that too. heh heh.
     
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