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diesel or no diesel?

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by TundraLaw, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Aug 15, 2019 at 12:43 PM
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  2. Aug 15, 2019 at 12:49 PM
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    What kind of driving/mods is causing 11mpg? Just took a 800 mile trip and got 18.5 mpg down and 17.5 mpg back and averaging 16.5 just driving around home. 5.7l 4x4 crewmax. By contrast my father in laws dodge Cummins mega cab gets 20mpg on the same trip. So for the gas/diesel price difference I come out ahead. I get towing if you have large payloads all the time then diesel makes perfect sense.
     
  3. Aug 15, 2019 at 12:53 PM
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    Maybe wait and see what happens with Diesel prices after Jan 2020 when all shipping supposedly switches from fuel oil to low sulfur diesel. That is a huge new demand for diesel that’s about to come on line.
     
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  4. Aug 15, 2019 at 12:54 PM
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    Ummm.... there's a HUGE difference between a Ferrari and a Mustang. The price! :rofl:But I hear you. I have driven a diesel F-350 as a daily work truck. It did fine on the road, but not so fine off of it. I would get stuck in wet grass fields in this thing (???) Granted, it didn't have offroad tires, but I don't think it would've mattered. It was SO damn heavy.
     
  5. Aug 15, 2019 at 12:59 PM
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    These new diesels HATE being babied and used as a grocery getter. If you don’t drive long enough to get it up to operating temp for a bit, you’re going to run into issues. The solution would be to delete though and a lot of problems would be eliminated
     
  6. Aug 15, 2019 at 1:01 PM
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    Very good point.
     
  7. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:07 PM
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    Yea, DPF gets clogged and what not. My diesel was deleted so I never had any issues. As for stock, usually if the computer detects a buildup it will tell you to keep the engine on until the soot is burned off so still as long as you follow directions you will be fine.
     
  8. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:09 PM
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    It's funny watching diesel owners act like their trucks are monsters off-road when in reality even with AT tires, they will never be as good as something that's lighter with the same tires.
     
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  9. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:10 PM
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    true! but your truck looks pretty modded like some of the diesels I've seen. We all think its cool, but others may think over the top. You see what I mean? To each their own.
     
  10. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:10 PM
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    dude that sounds awesome! I love Canadian country!
     
  11. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:12 PM
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    Totally agree. Diesels drive fantastic. I drove a 2019 Ram 2500 Cummins last night. Drove like a dream. No diesel smell in the cab, and looks amazing.
     
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  12. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:13 PM
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    the only mods I have are 275/70/18 St Maxx's and 6112s at 1.9. I live at 5000 feet elevation though and only city driving.
     
  13. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:26 PM
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    I hear ya. It is a bit ridiculous but that's part of the appeal to me. To each his own.
     
  14. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:29 PM
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    I concur with your assessment sir.:thumbsup:
     
  15. Aug 15, 2019 at 2:45 PM
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    True, but the average joe won’t want to wait in their driveway for the regen to finish or keep driving until it’s complete
     
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  16. Aug 15, 2019 at 4:15 PM
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    I drive a lot for my job which ends up being a lot of highway miles. Assuming this particular issue wouldn’t be an issue for me?
     
  17. Aug 15, 2019 at 4:26 PM
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    Nope. I wouldn’t think so.
     
  18. Aug 15, 2019 at 4:35 PM
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    I have a new 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins Big Horn (SR5 equivalent trim basically) got into it a few weeks ago for about 47k. They're practically giving them away right now...leftover 2018s that is. These sticker for 60 to 65k. My truck was about 63.3 sticker.

    So far I absolutely love the way it drives and handles. It makes me WANT to tow our Travel trailer where I used to be a little white knuckled with the Tundra. Right now I'm getting about 18mpg combined which I used to get 13.6 with Tundra on 275/75/18s and mild lift 6112s with 5160s in rear. I got 24mpg on the highway keeping it around 70-75. Best I could do in tundra stock (before mods) was 17 to 18 on the same highway keeping under 70mph.


    I was hesitant to get into a FIAT but I test drove all big 3 HD diesels and the Ram was most appealing to me based on driving, handling and interior design fit/finish was superior to GM and Ford (just my opinion). I'm cautiously optimistic and it's way too early to know how itll hold up but so far I've been extremely impressed!!!
     
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  19. Aug 15, 2019 at 5:53 PM
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    Older diesels were great. The 7.3 Powerstroke was probably the best motor ever made. But back then, Cummins and then the early Duramax/Allison weren’t too far behind. These days, with all the new emissions equipment, it’s another story.

    Example - my friend owns a moving / trucking company. He does runs for Relco and has his own tractors and trailers all over the place. I don’t know how many box trucks with sleepers her has, but it’s a lot. Up until last year, he was buying one brand new chassis with a completely rebuilt pre-emission motor. The big companies were pumping these things out as “reconditioned” units. Unfortunately, the government stepped in and limited the number they could put out each year and the cost went up. So, he spends a ton of time and money keeping his old iron on the road. The new stuff seems to be constant headaches, especially the box trucks, but even the $150,000 tractors go in to limp mode regularly. He only keeps the newer stuff in warranty now, that’s how bad it is. So IMO, ya, the new emissions stuff completely ruined the diesel.
     
  20. Aug 15, 2019 at 10:03 PM
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    I'll be patiently waiting for my new diesel to be terrible and fall apart. So far it has been amazing.
     
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  21. Aug 15, 2019 at 10:20 PM
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    If you delete, diesel is great. If you can’t delete, why bother with a diesel. Unless you tow everyday.
     
  22. Aug 16, 2019 at 4:59 AM
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    The RAMs do drive nice. Probably the most comfortable inside of all the trucks. However, did you get the extended warranty? Several friends here at work with RAMs all are very thankful that they have extended warranties. On average they are towed about 3 times a year. Not to be a downer on your truck, I admit that they are nice; just the experience here at our office.
     
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    Its good for a laugh thats for sure!
     
  24. Aug 16, 2019 at 6:02 AM
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    I will never delete. I can’t stand the smell of pre emission diesels, loud, and cleaning the soot off the rear quarter panel sucks.

    36k, no issues. I also do not DD my truck. Could be something to that.

    Owning a diesel for tow/work doesn’t mean you need to drive it every day. Diesels are not for everyone, trust me. Some really can’t afford DD them or buying a commuter with the high cost of ownership.
     
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  25. Aug 16, 2019 at 6:24 AM
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    I am the opposite. I like the smell of older diesels - don't really like the faint smell of cat piss from the new ones. I also like how loud the older ones are.

    I think that you should buy a diesel if you tow heavy loads frequently - or, if you just plain like diesels. If you are buying it to get better mpgs for a DD truck - that is goofy. It will take a long time to offset the initial cost on fuel savings alone - then if you factor in all of the other extra expenses that come with owning a diesel, it just doesn't make a lot of sense.
     
  26. Aug 16, 2019 at 6:28 AM
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    Some advice:

    - Cummins still uses the CP3 injection pump, which is awesome. Nonetheless, I would highly recommend running Lucas or some other high quality lube in the fuel. The lower Cetane fuel is rough on fuel systems.

    - Keep a close eye on front end components. The Cummins is a heavy motor and can cause front end issues. I swapped out my ball joints and steering components 3 times in 180k miles, which was considered rather good for that mileage/use.

    - Since you now have a dipstick on your transmission, service the trans every year. Cheap insurance you can do yourself with ease. Drain and fill. You can do this before finishing a beer.

    - DEF. Not sure if you know this, it has a shelf life. I have a buddy that buys four 2.5 gallon DEF jugs per year and let’s them sit in his shop. He also gets the “poor DEF fluid” and has to drop/drain his tank annually. This is expensive. Just buy when you do oil changes.

    Now this is total BS, but one friend (15 Ram 3500) used to buy his DEF at Walmart (I do as well) and he kept on getting the “poor DEF quality” and had to drop and drain tank three times. Ram would no longer cover the warranty unless he used DEF from them at 25.00 per gallon. I’m betting he had a bad NOx sensor in the exhaust, but threw this little gem in there to get more sales. I would have stood my ground on this one. If the DEF has the ISO compliant number, it meets the standard for DEF in light duty trucks.

    If your truck is exposed to weather under 11*, DEF will freeze. Now the tank has a heater, but if the truck sits outside, the heater is not on. In the winter, I would suggest never filling the DEF tank up all the way. People have had tanks freeze solid and break.

    Hope this helps a little. If anything, the fuel additive is by far the most important.
     
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    I'm told SeaFoam is a good alternative diesel additive to Lucas.
     
  28. Aug 16, 2019 at 7:27 AM
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    I like you! I am also a diesel fan. I grew up on a 5000 acre farm. Diesel tractors, diesel trucks, even my Mom's Mercedes Benz was a diesel. I love the smell of diesel fumes hanging in the air on a crisp winter morning loading corn from the combines - good memories.
    I would love to have a Tundra with the Land Cruiser diesel engine. That's what I grew up with.
     
  29. Aug 16, 2019 at 7:35 AM
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    I use seafoam on my gas powered equipment, and especially on my direct injection motors (Lexus) due to the cleaning capabilities.

    Never used it on diesels.
     
  30. Aug 16, 2019 at 7:42 AM
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    Tracking on front end components, Trans service and checking julian dates on DEF. Had not looked into the Lucas Fuel lube... so will have to research that.
     
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