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Cats stolen, now I’ve got decisions to make

Discussion in '1st Gen Tundras (2000-2006)' started by justamessenger, Jul 23, 2022.

  1. Jul 23, 2022 at 8:47 PM
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    justamessenger

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    I searched and found this is a common predicament, however, the forum was light on solutions. “Get OEM if you can afford the cost and the multiple month wait”, and “cat shields are a good idea (too bad they don’t make them for first gens)”.

    I’m here for the wisdom I wasn’t able to find using search. I have a Rockauto.com cart loaded up with Walker cats and intermediate pipe (the dung heap that did this cut the flange off the intermediate pipe).

    The truck is a 2003 Access Cab 4.7 SR5 TRD 2wd, stock, and likely to stay that way. Anybody use Walker (or another brand) and recommend it? Anybody put cat shields on?
     
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  2. Jul 23, 2022 at 8:58 PM
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    1lowlife Toxic prick and pavement princess..

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    Hate to hear about your loss, I just went thru this with my 2014.
    Filed a claim on my comprehensive auto insurance.

    It was an 8 month wait for parts and I did buy Vahalla shields.

    Most say after-market cats will throw check engine light codes.

    Sorry, I'm no help to your situation with your Gen 1..

    Welcome to your first post on the forum..
     
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  3. Jul 23, 2022 at 8:59 PM
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    shifty` Jaylon Wennings

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    This topic just got touched on with another newbie over here, with warnings about non-OEM cats, MAF, and O2 sensors, and woes that come with failing to buy OEM: https://www.tundras.com/threads/pro...-stolen-catalytic-stolen.110474/#post-2850551


    About protections....

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/1st-gen-cat-protection.107470/

    About aftermarket cats and protection...

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/oem-vs-aftermarket-catalytic-converters.102021/

    More about protections...

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/need-a-cat-cage-for-2004-sr5.95407/

    More cat protections...

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/cat-protection.92342/

    Last thing I'll link ...

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/catalytic-converter.69380/

    Have fun. Sorry to hear about your luck.

    I'd recommend checking for OEM again, since some supply chain issues are having wrinkles ironed out. Or consider going with the Summit models from that 1st link I shared in the 1st paragraph of this reply.
     
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  4. Jul 24, 2022 at 9:54 AM
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    Thanks for your replies. I will add JBA 3” cats and muffler system to the list, as replacing everything as opposed to all but the muffler pipe may make sense. Magna flow as well. Some of the comments on CEL troubles clearly relate to other components, O2 sensor and failed battery were mentioned, so aftermarket is still an option I need to rule out before jumping on OEM.
    As soon as the repair is complete, I’m intending to put in a plate or cage.

    Any 49-state (TX) 1st gen trucks use JBA 3”, Magnaflow, or Walker with success?
     
  5. Jul 24, 2022 at 9:56 AM
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    I run magnaflow high flow 2.5” cats, but only for emissions testing, so not sure how they would fair for a daily driver.
     
  6. Jul 24, 2022 at 10:35 AM
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    N84434 In the Frozen Tundra

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    I use a Walker. Have had no issue in 2 years of driving. I couldn't see spending the money on OEM, so I went with the Walker.
     
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  7. Jul 24, 2022 at 1:07 PM
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    Here's some Magnaflow feedback from the resident yotamech.
     
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  8. Jul 24, 2022 at 2:56 PM
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    I got a permission error when I tried your link, is there another way to see it?
     
  9. Jul 24, 2022 at 3:35 PM
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    shifty` Jaylon Wennings

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    Ah. Yeah, you need more post count to be able to see or enter the Marketplace. Here:

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  10. Jul 24, 2022 at 6:10 PM
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    Did your insurance co. give you a rental vehicle until the cats were replaced? I've always thought they should / would, if you had comp and the vehicle was un-drivable.
     
  11. Jul 24, 2022 at 8:40 PM
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    NickB_01TRD You don't need less cars, just more driveway.

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    Do you have inspections in your state?
     
  12. Jul 24, 2022 at 9:05 PM
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    I got Toyota to foot my rental (it's been 3 weeks and counting). My wife did some front end bumper damage to the truck so I had it towed to the Toyota dealer. They don't have an auto body shop so they had it towed to the shop they send all their customers to. My cats got stolen while at the shop. I went to the Toyota dealer and they said the cats were on backorder (and have been since at least January).
     
  13. Jul 24, 2022 at 9:16 PM
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    NickB_01TRD You don't need less cars, just more driveway.

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    I'm sure they're more lenient on a 2 year old truck vs a 18 year old truck
     
  14. Jul 24, 2022 at 10:08 PM
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    The dealership put me in one of their 2021 Tacoma loaner/rentals the day I dropped my truck off.
    My insurance has a $1200 limit per claim for rental fees, which paid for about 1 month of the 8 months.
    The dealership then told me Toyota would cover the rental fees that the insurance didn't cover.
    That is exactly what they did.
    I'm sure Toyota wrote the fees off, but if I would have had to pay them, it would have been over $9000.
    It only cost $6000 to fix the truck, parts and labor.

    When I picked up my truck after 8 months, I only had to pay my $200 deductible and my toll fees.
     
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  15. Jul 25, 2022 at 10:21 AM
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    Yes on the inspections. Unfortunately, we had only liability on this vehicle - I will be going aftermarket, so any anecdotes or experience is much appreciated.
     
  16. Jul 28, 2022 at 11:24 AM
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    Update: I ordered the Walker cats and intermediate pipe and set my sights on protecting them once installed. I ordered the Skid Row skid plate and cat con extensions, and buried in the confirmation email was this: If you ordered our Tundra/Sequoia transmission skid plates with the catalytic converter guards, they are currently selling out as fast as we can make them. The lead time on those can be 6-8 weeks, although we're working to shorten that lead time.
     
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    I filed this today, let's just see how this goes....

    Hello Attention Consumer,


    The Smog Referee provides Catalytic Converter recommendations based upon the information you (or a licensed Smog Test and Repair Station you have hired) provide them. Below is a list of commonly requested information that will aid the Smog Referee in determining the appropriate part for your vehicle.


    Expect a call from a Smog Referee in 7-10 days. This call will come from a BLOCKED or RESTRICTED number. Please plan to answer all blocked/restricted calls during the designated window.

    If your phone does not accept calls come from a BLOCKED or RESTRICTED number, please work with your cell phone provider to temporarily allow blocked or restricted calls. Or call us and provide a different number that will allow blocked calls.


    You must have this information ready for when the Smog Referee calls you. If you need assistance finding this information, please hire a licensed Smog Test and Repair station to verify this information.


    1. Engine Family Number (EFN) or Test Group Number.
      1. This is required for all cases.
      2. Here is a video on how to find the EFN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3SnZFmr5Ds

    1. Exhaust diagram from the dealer by VIN.
      1. Must highlight which converter or converters you are seeking.
      2. This needs to come from the dealer by your VIN and not from an online source as every vehicle is different.

    1. Picture of the Emissions label.
      1. This label is normally under the hood or affixed to the passenger side valve cover.
      2. Here is a video on how to find the Emissions Label: https://youtu.be/a3SnZFmr5Ds
      3. If label is missing or obsolete, please notify the Referee at time of call.

    1. Number of Catalytic Converters that need to be replaced.

    1. Verification whether the vehicle requires a rear oxygen sensor.
      1. Sometimes oxygen sensor wiring is cut, so you will see loose wires.
      2. Here is a video on how to locate the rear oxygen sensor https://youtu.be/dVumgUW50Ho

    1. Digital pictures of your exhaust system and catalytic converter locations.
      1. If stolen, pictures of where the converters were.
      2. Here is a video on finding the location of the oxygen sensor and catalyst: https://youtu.be/eZE_YEoItXo.


    1. You may be required to provide a diagnosis and have a recent failed smog test on record.
      1. This does not apply to stolen catalytic converters cases.
      2. The diagnosis must identify what part(s) need replacement and be completed by a licensed Smog Test and Repair station.

    Disclosure: Smog Referees give catalyst recommendations based of the information that is provided to them, therefore it is imperative that you (or your Smog Test and Repair station) provide accurate information. It is the responsibility of the consumer of their Smog Test and Repair Station to ensure the information provided to the Referee is accurate.


    If you need assistance identifying any of this required information, you will need to hire a licensed Smog Test and Repair station to verify this information.


    Thank you,


    Smog Referee Scheduling Center
     
  18. Jul 29, 2022 at 10:44 AM
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    This may be too late and not of interest, but at least in CO, OEM cats are available at junkyards for $500.
     
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    Thanks, CO is a restrictive state, however, I’ve been told in TX junkyards aren’t even allowed to sell used cats.
     
  20. Aug 5, 2022 at 5:51 PM
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    I brought the parts to a national chain muffler shop instead of an independent muffler shop because the independents look like their main business is to sell worthless cars to poor people. The chain actually took in cars and turned them around the same day, the independents were littered with carcasses of non-running vehicles nobody would want except if you have no options.

    The national chain removed the old exhaust, breaking or leaving the old header studs useless, unable to complete the job. Now my wife and I have to choose from the two sole proprietor muffler shops that have a bunch of dead cars in their lots.

    Really, I’m ready to say put all the addicts that steal cats in prison, because their $100 narcotic high defeats a federally-mandated original equipment emissions system and is going to cost me multiple days out of work and multiple $ thousands in parts and labor. I believe excellent trucks are being totaled or sold for next to nothing, essentially non-running, tow-away vehicles because of this drug addled behavior enabled by a crime-tolerant judicial system.
     
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    I get the frustration. I've had a number of talks with a couple of guys at my local precinct the last time the thieves swept through our area. They caught them, but the issue was, it was a pack of 6 dudes, and they traveled here from NC with the sole intent to steal cats, and scrap them on the way back. Last time they caught someone, several rounds of cat theft waves ago, the crew was from AL. For us, it's neither locals, nor junkies looking for a fix. It's a convenient story for sure, but its' sadly more organized than that.

    Here's the thing though, and I think what you're missing. Even if they managed to catch these guys, and throw the book at them, like feral cats, someone will just replace them. Why? Because the problem is whoever is creating the demand, the person looking to buy them and melt them down. If you want to solve problems like this, you don't target the guys on the ground doing the dirty work. You take down the guys buying the stolen goods, who are providing the thieves with a means to make money off what they're stealing.

    Unfortunately, these guys are carrying the cats across state lines, to other states with less recycling restrictions, and outside of the original state and local jurisdiction. So it's virtually impossible to pop them, and extremely difficult to tie things back to the original crimes. Until there's a mandate and enforcement at the fed level, this will continue. And even then, there will be recycle shops who will risk it, operating despite the legality, until caught.

    We have plenty of LEOs on this forum. I'm sure they can probably share similar stories to what my local PD shared with me.
     

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