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Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by ThePolak, Nov 4, 2021.

  1. Feb 16, 2022 at 8:53 PM
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    I just checked the vehicle ordering guide and the payload listed looks like it's quite a bit more than what these trucks are actually coming with. I think your assumptions are right and they're typically in the 1400-1500lb range according to the actual door sticker. I can't remember what my Limited crew max 5.5 sticker says, but I know it's not close to 1742lbs they show here.

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  2. Feb 16, 2022 at 9:01 PM
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    That would be an absolute deal breaker for me. But also would be very surprising if true. Never have I heard or experienced such discrepancies before when it comes to payload capacity. Especially not when a car is basically sold as full package without almost any customization options. Where are those differences coming from? The Toyota Canada website lists my preferred trims and package as having a payload capacity of 1880lb.

     
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    The DC will have higher payload. We seem to have reached the conclusion that the payload on the stickers is under stated for some reason so you're going to want to weigh your truck after you get it to confirm what the payload actually is.
     
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  4. Feb 16, 2022 at 9:19 PM
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    I would normally do that, BUT not with a car where sticker payload and stated payload differ by up to 400 pounds which seems ridiculous. I am not sure what games Toyota is playing here. I simply can't find any logical explanation other than that they grossly overstated the payload capacity in their new 2022 models but could not get those numbers approved by Transport Canada. I am curious about other possible explanations. But 1400 pounds and 1880 pounds are not just rounding errors but massive spreads.

     
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    I believe the US trucks are all around the same 1400-1500 range. I don't think its a transport Canada thing.
     
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    it came down to the local dealer offering 43 and this one 48,500. They’ve listed it for 50,500 so with the hassle it appears they just wanted to sell me a new truck. Time will tell if I made the right decision.
     
  7. Feb 17, 2022 at 4:48 AM
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    My local dealer has also offered me $5000 less than 3 neighboring dealers plus a Ford dealer for my 2018.
     
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    weird eh? Now the catch was the local dealer only wanted my truck when the new one arrived where the condition of the other was we’ll buy it now while the market is hot due to supply chain demands. Where we have a second vehicle and I primarily run a work vehicle it wasn’t a make or break deal. I’d much rather take the $6325 difference (bloody taxes).
     
  9. Feb 17, 2022 at 5:49 AM
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    I think one guy who weighed his truck found that his actual payload was about 200 pounds higher than the sticker. I think Toyota is just being super conservative with the stickers and putting the lowest payload on every truck, even the less optioned ones. I can't figure out why they'd do that other than the fact that there don't seem to be any actual truck guys involved with any aspect of the third gen.

    As to Transport Canada, if you really think they're going to weigh your setup to see if you're legal (which seems unlikely to me), I would think you'd be fine if you're under your GVWR.
     
  10. Feb 17, 2022 at 6:02 AM
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    Hey bud, welcome to the payload club! I’ve been griping about this discrepancy for months.
    I can confirm that it’s the same in Canada and the USA, so it has nothing to do with Transport Canada.
    You will not find an actual 2022 Tundra in any configuration with more than 1600 lbs of payload listed on the door jam sticker.
    The 2022 Tundra with the highest payload would be DC 2WD 8’ bed.
    I’m away from home this week but someone had previously posted the cargo capacities from the manual and you will find they match the door stickers exactly but they are all significantly less than the specs from the order sheet document.
    That said, so far one kind owner has actually weighed his truck and his payload was actually 279 lbs greater than the door jam sticker.

    In my opinion, it all comes down to how and why Toyota chooses to define the terminology they use. One document may state payload, another states cargo, another vehicle carrying capacity etc. They don’t all use the exact same terminology. The terminology they use for the higher numbers must be for marketing reasons. So they could advertise ‘up to 1940 lbs of payload’ in the commercials etc.

    If you want a Tundra with a door jam sticker that lists greater than 1600 lbs I’d recommend the 2016 Regular Cab.

    Typing on my phone up North with crappy cell coverage and quoting from memory, so hope this made sense.

    Good luck!
     
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    Do you have a link for this by any chance?

     
  12. Feb 17, 2022 at 6:27 AM
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    Well, if being in an accident and there are legal issues then what it says on the door sticker is what really counts. This is the payload that should not be exceeded, it does not even matter what the true payload and true capacity was, neither does it matter from a court and legal perspective what Toyota advertised. The door sticker is what counts. That is the payload that I must not exceed to not get into legal trouble. 1400 pounds is shockingly low, I think I watched a youtube where someone claimed that this is even lower than the Ford Maverick...

    So, has anyone test driven an SR5 CrewMax or Double Cab an can share what he/she has seen on the door sticker in terms of payload capacity? I am specifically asking for the 2022 models.


     
  13. Feb 17, 2022 at 6:34 AM
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    No. Just from doors stickers I see posted online.
     
  14. Feb 17, 2022 at 6:40 AM
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    I do not mean to doubt you but how do you know what is on the door sticker of EVERY 2022 Tundra in ANY configuration? How many 2022 SR5 CM or DC have you yourself seen?

    But thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I am still bewildered if this was indeed true because I have never heard nor seen that Ford, GMC, Chevy, or Ram ever overstated their payload capacity by over 35% which Toyota as allegedly done. Sure, Ford states the F-150 has a payload capacity "up to" 3325 pounds but that was shown to be true with a specific configuration and package.

    So, as a pretty faithful Toyota owner I am extremely disappointed to hear about this. It puts me into a very tough spot because passengers, some cargo, a hard-shell, a 12ft boat on top, the boat loader, and a 21 foot camper trailer puts me awfully close if not slightly above 1400 lb. And trust me, its not the passenger weight ;-)

    Also, why buy a mid-sized truck that only carries 600 pounds more than my 4Runner...;-(

     
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    The door sticker also has the GVWR on it.
     
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    I am new to the towing game, so I don't understand how your comment relates to the grossly inflated payload capacity of the 2022 Tundra (if true)? Could you please help me understand? Thank you

     
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    IF you get in a collision while towing or hauling and IF the police decide to try to weigh your setup (big big if), as long as you're within your GVWR and GCWR, you'll be fine. First of all, they're not going to try to reconstruct everything that was in and on your truck so they can weigh it. Secondly, even if they do, they're not going to then take everything off of and out of your truck and either weigh all that stuff or weigh your empty truck to get its curb weight.

    The only scenario where I could see you getting in trouble is if you're towing something other than an RV, you get pulled into one of those weigh stations on the highway and they find you're over GVWR or GCWR. But again, they're just going to look at your total truck and trailer weights. They don't know the curb weight of your truck so the "payload capacity" means nothing to them.
     
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    Agreed. I have plenty of Leo friends that I asked this question to granted it this is in the United States and they all looked at me kind of funny we don’t weigh passenger vehicles never even heard of that
     
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    Well, but isn't that all just simple math gymnastics? In the end the sticker states how much the vehicle was designed to carry, regardless of whether you go the GVWR or payload route. They check the weight for sure if one is involved in an accident with a another car, especially when towing a trailer and having a boat on top of the truck.

    So,it all comes again down to what the sticker states. And it's upsetting when spending weeks/months to study the numbers that Toyota publishes, when taking a test drive (albeit with a limited not sr5), when looking at the dealer pricing and spec sheets and then getting to know that the actual payload capacity might be a whopping 35% lower than previously stated. I was about to put down a deposit today for delivery in May. I will definitely not do this and instead go back to the drawing board.

    What really irritates me is that hundreds of journalists actually test drove the trucks long before we had a chance to and many of them claim to be truck specialists, some of whom truly write for respected outdoor and truck enthusiast magazines or websites and yet not one of them ever seemed to have glanced at the door sticker to reconcile the numbers Toyota claims. It's like me writing about and testing fishing rods and never ever verifying the length of the rod and weight rating (fly rod). Those guys seem to be a complicit bunch who want to cause as few issues as possible because they are all in the bind of the industry.

     
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    Plenty of ways you can be overweight without towing a trailer if you get an accident and the vehicle is non drivable you’re saying they loaded on a flatbed take it to a scale to weigh it never seen or heard of anything like this in my life for a passenger vehicle noncommercial
     
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    Also for non-commercial vehicles in the United States that would all fall on the state and each state varies nothing for non-commercial is federally regulated
     
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    Are they going to take the people that were in the car to the scale also because they are also considered payload don’t see any of this happening in real life
     
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    Only if you think the payload on the sticker is accurate. All evidence points to Toyota is under stating the payload on the stickers for some reason. The guys who've weighed their trucks have found that actual curb weight plus sticker payload is hundreds of pounds less than the GVWR.
     
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    Yes but that's aside the point. The sticker is the rating that matters the most because that is what the manufacturer commits to be legally responsible for. Even if I never got in an accident then there are still a million reasons why I should not load 1800 pounds onto the truck when the sticker states 1400.

     
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    If your GVWR is 7200 lbs and your truck weighs 5400 lbs, you absolutely can put 1800 lbs on the truck.
     
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    You seriously think that's a possibility when they are in an epic war of survival and supremacy? This is about decimal points of market share and nobody understates anything ever to be overly conservative. Sorry but this is a possibility I would never ever consider to hold true.

     
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    I get what you’re saying I was saying if you’re overweight and you get into an accident in the passenger vehicle they are not going to weigh your vehicle that’s all I was saying no matter what the vehicle is a minivan an SUV a Corolla it doesn’t matter they’re not weighing passenger vehicles.
     
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    Do you have a link that contains pictures of the truck on the scale and scale readings? I would love to see them.

    I do believe that the truck can carry more than the payload on the sticker. Every truck and brand has a safety cushion. But purposely understating the gross vehicle weight rating on the official sticker makes zero sense no matter what angle you look at it. I would need to see proof to believe that. I do not buy it unless I see it.

     
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    Enjoy your F-350.
     
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    Don't be so salty, please. I am honestly asking. Do you have a link where someone claims they have weighed the 2022 Tundra on a scale? I am truly interested.

     

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