Brake Shudder .... A Toyota Curse?

Well I'm a retired master tech, with Ford for 31 yrs and Master Maserati Ferrari and Lotus tech for last 11 yrs. It's 95% of cause, although non vented solid rotors exacerbate the problem. To each their own

 

I don't mean to belabor the point, but what does "bedding the brakes" mean, exactly?

Every brake job I've done, or had done, I simply hopped in the vehicle and drove it like normal after the work was done. There was no special "brake bedding" procedure required. So, again, what does that mean exactly?

Matt

 

Bedding the brake pad is a procedure of doing multiple hard brakes to apply an even amount of brake pad material across the brake rotor. You basically get upto about 35 and hard brake down to 10 mph 3 rimes, then from about 30 to 15 mph 3 times and that drive for 5 minutes with as little braking and not coming to a complete stop to let the brakes cool down. You don't have to do this, it just increases the chance of a pulsation and or noise issue with a brake service.

You have to remember we perform multiple brake jobs per week, and I want my clients to get the best brake service they can get

I learned this from the Centric brake engineer and a couple ABS/Traction control seminars. Most of what I learned is from an engineer I became friends with at Centric.

 

30k miles and developed annoying brake pulsation/shudder at around 20k with no crazy heavy braking or towing. Replaced rotor with OEM and pads went with semi metallic instead of ceramic. Like the pads better than OEM. Better initial bite/more braking force with less pedal pressure. Lets see how they hold up.....

 

I have done front brakes on all sorts except Hybrids. Is there anything about regenerative brakes that complicates a front brake job?
I have a 2022 Hybrid (1794) that I got used, and the guy before me must have fried the OEM rotors because at 30K miles an inspection confirms they are warped.
I'm ready to do these as long as there is nothing unique I don't know about doing "Hybrid" front disk and rotors.
(And I do know about "bedding" the brakes.)

Let me know if there is anything unique or "special" I should know.

Thanks Folks

 

Bleeding brakes does not need to be done if the brake job is done properly! As for any special procedures, I would have to look it up. Any Toyota/Lexus brake services we have done do not need any special procedures! If Akebono makes brake pads and rotors, I would recommend those. If they only make the pads so far than try getting a high carbon coated rotor from Centric, Napa or another major brake rotor company. Will be just as good as a Toyota rotor at a savings. The Akebono brake pads will just be better than the Toyota. If no Akebonos are available than Centric pads are very good in the 105 series

 

Thanks Tech!
I will look into your recommendations.

As for bleeding, I was not thinking that would need to be done, I was referring to those who recommended "BEDDING"....as in breaking in the pads to the rotor with that procedure described in the thread.

I'll see what rotors and pads I can find, and do what has always worked well for me on every other front brake job.

 

Read up on how to bed in brakes, it is not hard to do! Basically you get up to 35 to 40 and brake hard but not super hard down to about 15 3 to 4 times and then about 30 down to 15 hard stops about 3 times and then drive for 5 minutes with as little braking as possible to cool brake down