Blown engine

Very likely. Does anyone know if these engines are plastigauged during assembly? I once caught a mis-marked bearing shell by using plastigauge. Marked standard but was for a crank ground .010 under. This was on an aircraft engine too.

 

I would hope at an engine manufacturing facility all the connecting rods, and bearing caps are measured with a dial bore gauge. I would also assume all the cranks are measured with a micrometer.

 

I'd also hope the guy using the gauge and micrometer isn't hungover, or watching the clock waiting for quitting time. I've always heard that any vehicle made the first thing Monday morning, or the last thing on Friday will have problems.

 

Well it is Stelantis we’re talking about, so don’t put it past them to throw a bunch of cheap ass parts in what could otherwise be an outstanding engine.

If it proves to be a good one, and Stelantis will have a decent idea this year I would expect late 2023 build Ram 1500’s to start showing up as 2024’s with the standard output Hurricane under the hood. Still nothing to sneeze at belting out 420hp and 460ft-lbs, and reviews all point out they’re responsive with the ZF 8 speed box and turbine smooth.

 

I'm still driving a 2016 Ram while I wait for my Tundra. Its been in the shop now for over a month getting a recall done. The 13th recall I might add... everyone has been major asides from one. Also lost the transmission in it a few years back. Had to get flatbedded back to the shop. Stelantis will screw up the Cherokees for sure.

 

Wonder if they look like this?

 

LOL.

New features of the iForce V6: connecting rods that are pre-deformed so the end user doesn’t have to. Now with more convenient inspection windows in the side of the block!

 

...but it drives nicer than a Tundra!

I get told that all the time. Believe me, I'd love for Rams to be a lot more reliable, as I used to own one....but when literally EVERY person I ask has either had a) far more recalls than I or b) far more issues than I, it's tough to justify even looking in that direction.

I may not get the best gas mileage...but I get that so-so mileage while actually DRIVING my truck that spends no time in the shop.

 

A buddy just bought a 2019 Ram with 60k miles for $31k. I hope all the recalls have been done on it...

 

Overpaid

 

No issues on my 14 hemi ram 1500

2017 ram Laramie ecoD had a stopsale and had new tune to be flashed after the stop sale.

Neither had any issues other then 3rd brake light leaking, which were known issues once the seal OEM uses detroriates after first year or 2.

I regret daily trading in my ecoD for my 56k sr5, a platinum level trim Tundra doesn't even match up to Laramie rams

 

I've got no problem admitting that Tundras don't measure up when it comes to features and the quality of interior, that's for sure.

 

Funny, I have been spending a lot of time on Ram forums. Really, very similar to this place. Countless owners that have high mileage trucks with zero issues.
What I found interesting is there are many threads where the members are very complimentary to Tundras. Not a massive amount of bashing that I’ve seen.
If Rams were such massive piles of shit they wouldn’t sell a half a million of them a year.
But, everybody has all of these stories about knowing so many people that have had nothing but issues. Comical.

 

Buddy of mine had an early EcoD Ram that had some issues. Had some AC issues too. He traded it for a new 2500 Cummins, didn’t have any issues with it, but figured out he didn’t need it, swapped again for a new 20’ Laramie Longhorn Hemi and hasn’t had any major issues with it. Good looking truck, big Tesla screen, Ram boxes, I don’t care for the 22s, but they look pimp-o-licious if you’re into that.

 

I spent a ton of time on ramforum.com when I was undecided which truck to buy. My impressions were that high mileage over there is considered 100-150k miles, there are more discussions regarding very common issues than there are here, and there was a lot more contempt for dealers refusing to fix or even acknowledge problems. Some of the ways people were allegedly left high and dry by Ram were pretty terrifying.

Just about the lowest used prices just out of warranty tells me all I need to know without using the forum as a barometer.

 

Have to agree. Stop in on the Mustang 6G forum. Very similar. New 3rd Gen hits the market and the earth stood still. Now fairly mundane ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

Apparently you are using your “ton of time” on the forum as a barometer. Being that so many people were left “high and dry.”

 

Also, the Tacoma has one of the highest resale values and all I ever hear about is how bad the power train combo is.

My Tundra made 8 trips to the dealer.
The last being the cam tower.
My buddies 08 had the tranny go at 130,000.

Im a huge Toyota fan. Probably always will be. But, they sure in the hell arent some mystical beast. The Tundra has plenty of issues. Imagine how many more we would here about if they sold a half million units a year.

 

What I’m saying that regardless of the state of the forum, the fact that Rams have always been worth just about the very least once the warranty is up (super rare models notwithstanding) tells me all I need to know.

Yeah people hate the Taco drivetrain. But it’ll go 300k without a peep for most people who stick with it.

Tundras have historically had issues at a lower rate, not fewer issues just because there aren’t as many produced each year. Drivetrain issues alone, Tundra issues have occurred at a rate of 3x fewer than Ford for example. That’s from Dashboard Light.

I hope the 3rd Gen continues this trend. And I think it will. Dependability is too important to Toyotas brand for them to let whatever issues we see continue without addressing.

 

I get it. Not sure if it’s because they are unreliable or because there is 6 to every 1 Tundra sold a year.
It is hard to beat Toyotas resale. I can’t argue that.[/QUOTE]

 

Well, the demand was there for those Rams to outsell Toyota 6 to 1 when new. Where did all that demand go outside of the factory warranty? To me, people just aren’t as comfortable driving a Ram outside of the warranty, or after someone else has put 60k miles on it.

In 2020 before the pandemic, I almost bought a silver 2016 Tundra SR5 for $35k with 60k miles. It was in like new condition, granted, but that truck was barely $40k new if even that.

 

Had the camshafts replaced yet?


I do wonder on the tundras if maybe 0w20 isn't up to the task. High quality oil may be able to take it but low tier drum oil can't.
They of course would never recommend heavier oil for cafe

 

Interesting that they do not recommend heavier oil here in the US, but they do so elsewhere.

Here is the owners manual from 2023 Land Cruiser.

See recommended oil for V35-FTS. It can range from 0w20 to 10w30. They specifically state that temperatures should be taken into account and that 0w20 is preferred for fuel economy and cold strats.

It also mentions that only 10w30 would not be suited for extreme cold temperatures and that 0w20, 5w20 or 5w30 should be used for extreme cold temps. Furthermore, on the next page they mention that heavier oils are used for high speeds or high load conditions.

I, for one, have used Mobil 1 5w30 esp oil in mine since 1st oil change.

 

Obviously, this is all speculation on your part. There are plenty of 2.5 gen low mileage Tundras for sale. Should I assume they are being unloaded because the owners fear a cam tower leak or a faulty fuel pump?
Now, multiply the available Tundras by 6 and there is a shit load of available Tundras.
The 2.5 gen was a damn good truck but had its issues.
This new Gen remains to be seen but so far I would say it’s questionable at best.

 

My 2016 SR was only $31.2k new... and it's like new now with only 22k miles... Pretty sure last year I could have gotten $40k for it... I looked at used Tundras but it made no sense. At >100k miles I want to be paying <50% of the cost of a new one, or forget it.

Tundras really are more reliable... but they should be with the ancient and basic powertrain and rare updating. If you get the simpler and older options in the big 3 they tend to be less problematic also.

I just can't see the oil being a problem. I thought their "drum oil" was Mobil 1? Regardless it's full synthetic that they've tested and approved. This has to be a manufacturing defect.

 

All of those used Tundras are priced higher than Ram as a % of original purchase price. This is true despite lower fuel economy, low payload, less new features, and an extremely old design. It’s the definition of tried and true.

It sounds like you’re arguing that supply exceeds demand on the used market, but meanwhile there is enough demand on the new market for Ram to sell 6x as many. Every year they wildly outsell the Tundra. Yet, every year, they lose more of their original purchase price in value on the used market than the Tundra. Everything is worth what people are willing to pay.

This was my experience exactly. Man I wish I had paid $31.2k for mine. That’s a great deal. I have the SR5 upgrade package, TRD Off Road package, factory bed liner and remote tailgate lock; I know that added a few grand to a base SR5. I bought it before prices went truly nuts, but dang. What a difference a few years makes for nearly the exact same truck. It’s a testament to their longevity.

I think one could argue that the price of used Tundras actually drives new purchases up. Way too many of us have thought, “might as well spend a few grand more and get a brand new one!”

 

My new neighbor is a Ram guy. I was talking to him last summer after the frame on my F150 finally gave. He has had two Rams, a 1996 Ram 1500 that he drove to over 200k w no issues, and a 2016 Ram that he still has, and still has no issues. He says based on having 25+ years of flawless ownership, he will consider nothing but a Ram for his next truck.

My uncle has an 06.Ram 2500 w the Cummins and said it's the biggest POS ever

Guy at work has a 2019 Ram 1500, he absolutely loves it, just went over 75k miles w no issue. He said it's the best road trip family vehicle he's ever owned.

I think the hate is a bit much with non-Toyotas, but I get it. This is a Toyota forum

 

At work we regularly beat the shit out of our Chevys and Fords, they all hold up pretty good. They are replaced usually around 65k. We got a few Tahoe Z71, those things are beasts also a few relic 07 F350, carrying a hug payload in the rear and the frame holds up like a champ.

 

Im not arguing resale one bit. After 30 years of Toyotas I bought a Ram.
If it ends up being a POS I’ll have to deal with it and unload it and it will be a lesson learned.
However, after a month of owning this Ram I can’t think of one thing I dislike or one thing the Tundra does better.
The power and transmission are unbelievably smooth. The ride is outstanding. The sound system is really good. The seats are comfortable as hell. The tech is kick ass. I could go on and on.
If this thing proves reliable I will happily have it cost me 7-8 grand in resale just for the enjoyment of driving it.

I will not hate on Toyota. Wife owns one still. I have had outstanding service from them. But, make no mistake, they are sorely behind the times and the only thing they have going is reliability (somewhat questionable at this point) and resale.

 

I've owned multiple toyotas dating back to 1987, this gen3 tundra is like 5 steps backwards in terms of fit/finish/quality control.

Every day I tell myself what a shame it was to trade in my laramie ram for a 56k sr5 and have shit interior fit/finish, ride quality is subpar, and 15mpg on a 32 gallon tank which only nets like 4-500 miles if that. The only thing I like about it is the engine/tranny and exterior looks, absolutely everything else is just meh.

I am a toyota fanboi, but this tundra site puts toyota fanbois on a entire other level/planet