Blown engine

I just completed the lemon law on my 2023 capstone hybrid.
If you are patient I highly recommend going that route.

I now have a new 2025.

engine blew in November.

entire new engine but not a crate motor.

I got my check in July.

 

Did they take the full 60 days for them to "evaluate" the claim prior to payout?

 

Took 8 months
But the law is the law

30 days out of service and you win!

they will stall you out

hire a lawyer

 

Was vehicle running and sellable on return?

If even my low miles one was a lemon Carvana would pick it up in a day for more than the standard lemon law prorated check that took months.

Some people say I don't want to pass my lemon on to somebody else. But Toyota does not crush it. It will return to a lot somewhere via auction.to dealers.

 

My rebuild was finished in 2 months

drove the truck for 6 months.

I received about 5 grand less than I paid for the vehicle. Over 2 years ago.

lemon law is the way to go.

my check was much more than resale.

 

I think some people might have thought that lemon law was just a process you follow to get a buyback, but it's a legal remedy. And that raises the question of jurisdiction. If you look through that mound of papers you signed at closing, you probably agreed to binding arbitration. You have rights, but so also the manufacturer has rights, including the right to repair. Your case has to prevail. The law is a legal protection for consumers being harmed by excessive delays or unsuccessful repairs.

 

While cold in any season its starts 3/4 full then takes a bit for it to drop to 1/2 full and will sit there reguardless(mostly) of rpm. Unless you hammer it of course!
Edit: 2023 Trd Pro

 

That's true, but mine sometimes sags when sitting at a red light. Doesn't happen often. Very rare.

Maybe my bearings are failing?

 

Mine seems to be the same as yours. I was concerned with it going so high during cold startup i could blow seals if driven hard before warming up. I try to keep under 2000 rpm until warmed up fully but i dont recall any other toyotas i have owned showing 3/4 reads on oil pressure at startup... is this normal? Or should i be concerned?

This is after starting up cold: 3/4 oil pressure on guage


This is after warm: just under 1/2 oil pressure





Oil is at 7.7 quarts of 0w-20

Oil Filter is Toyota OEM filter bought from dealership parts counter.

 

Exactly how my 22 is

3/4 for first few minutes. Then down to a smidge under half from then on.

I vote normal

 

2024, 12kish miles, same same.

 

I was going to go test drive a new one at the local dealer just to see if it was the same... seems normal from responses though so not worth looking into further.

 

I dont know, but the recommended 10K oil change intervals need to change. I changed mine at 1200 miles, and will do it again at 7K miles and will change it every 5K miles from that point on. For a forced induction engine to only get its oil change every 10K miles doesnt seem legit. I wish Toyota will change the recommendation and stop going with 10K miles for the V6 twin turbo engine powertrain. especially now that they will continue to run this engine for the next gen tundras.

 

I completely agree.

After my new engine was dropped in, I change the oil at 1000 miles and will continue with 5000 oil changes forward. I would be curious to see data on oil change intervals as related to engine failure... extended intervals must be a contributing factor to premature failure.

 

I am guessing it definitely doesnt help. I know historically car manufacturers would recommend every 3K miles (way back when), then they pushed it to 5K miles as when checked with a visgage, it showed the oil viscosity was still good just after 3K miles. However 5K miles was the pushing point, depending on the type of oil used and so on. I know other car manufacturers such as Porsche recommends an oil change once a year, and they recommend this with their GT lineup (racing lineup) which some engines are NA (such as the GT4) and some are turbo (GT3). Their engines are damn near bullet proof, so there may be a case depending on the actual pressure contained within the engine and of course their tolerances. Porsche has alos been manufacturing these engines far longer than most auto manufacturers. so i believe they have perfected their craft. I say give Toyota some time and hopefully they dont start changing shit up.

I saw some youtube videos of a mechanic checking the oil just after 500 miles, and he noticed some particles and and increase volume of silicone in the oil filter (after sending it in for a sample). I am trying to followup with his videos to see what he is getting after every 5K miles. But he highly also recommended every 5K miles.

Some thoughts as to why we are here now. Previously to the 10K mile intervals, the gov began to push the auto manufacturers to reduce their carbon footprint, and push more EV and eco friendly vehicles. if they didnt comply, they wont get gov federal funding in some cases or get fined. This is why alot started the EV push and they began to remove the V8 and went with "eco boost" engines. GM has twin turbo 4 cylinders and here we are now with the new Tacoma and new tundra having forced induction engines. They add the same power output, if not more power/torque and they are more fuel efficient. Initially i had the impression Toyota will be ahead of the game considering their Hybrid tech is like the golden standard. other car manufacturers purchase their tech..such as Ford, BMW, Mazda, Suburu, Nissan and so on. So long story short, the eco boost theory along with reducing oil change intervals is why we are here today. The auto manufacturers had to bend the knee to the fed gov, or else they were going to get hit with some hefty fees. so they had to show some production lines to comply..

President Biden signed an executive order in 2021 setting a non-binding target for 50% of new passenger car and light truck sales to be zero-emission vehicles by 2030 and directing agencies to develop new fuel economy and emissions standards. this is the culprit to blame (keep political opinions aside and just look at the bigger picture)

Knowing all this, and knowing Toyota's Hybrid technology, and knowing the company as a whole..i believe they will get ahead of all the failures. and if not, they will be redesigning a new platform all together. Personally i would choose the hybrid version over the non hybrid motors. I dont foresee a V8 coming out anytime soon, unless they want to go bankrupt. They invested wayyyy too much money into the current Iforce Max, and this is their flagship engine currently. Hopefully sooner rather than later Toyota will kick it into gear and increase the maintenance recommendations and include the maintenance with newly purchased vehicles to add faith back into the auto industry.

If you think Toyota has the only engine problems, strongly mistaken. ALL of the auto manufacturers went this route as again, it was forced by the fed gov years ago, back in 2021 to be exact (if you notice toyota went with new engine platform in 2022). they are all now reaping from their mistakes, every single one of them. I would much rather be with a Toyota than any other car manufacturer at the moment, especially the Tundra considering the current Tarrifs. I honestly wish the federal gov kept out of the auto manufacturers. let them decide what they think will be great for their companies. if they dont want to sell Evs or go green, then let their consumer base decide their fate with sales.

 

Looking at the spreadsheet, I don't think that is necessarily the case

 

On this spreadsheet, I quickly counted 55 out of 134 reported engine failures had oil change intervals at 5K or less. The majority had 10K OCIs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...XpeUogyH5shM/edit?gid=780956012#gid=780956012

Probably not a significant enough difference to draw any conclusions from.

 

It doesn't appear extend OCI have any correlation with bearing failures so far

 

Exactly

 

its amazing how all the same speculation bullshit can just keep going around and around, lol.

now we are back to OCIs, lol. good lord.

only toyota knows or will ever know whats going on end of story.

 

I would LOVE access to that internal database/spreadsheet that undoubtedly has all of this tracked with massively higher sample size

 

ya, I know, it will never happen though, unfortunately.

 

https://youtu.be/PxqsGVB8c9E?si=FdjC0nfvql6Vr8GU

 

I do love me a WALTNASTY video

 

One thing about that video that strikes as wrong is how he keeps holding open the possibility that the third-party oil change maybe caused the problem. That is *extremely* unlikely and at the point he has the truck, there would be no way to make that judgement as the other dealer already changed the filter and drained oil to look for metal. So, between that drainage and the ongoing leakage if he were to say that the truck had insufficient oil and so not covered by warranty, that would be a big oof.

 

Just a dummy gauge, only way to know for sure is to read actual oil psi.

 

When I was a kid, we had a '57 Chevy with a lot of miles on it. The oil pressure began to drop at red lights, so my Dad dropped the oil pan and took the spring out of the relief valve on the oil pump, gave it a good stretch, and put it back in. The oil pressure stayed high and steady after that. When he traded it in a few years later, the man at the used car lot mentioned that he was surprised that the oil pressure was that good on a car that old was that good. My Dad said nothing.

 

Agree with a lot of what you wrote except for this section above. Toyota will not go bankrupt by scrapping this 3.4L abomination, they currently have the NA aspirated 5.0L V8, 2UR-GSE in their lineup that cranks out about 400lb-ft of torque and 470HP in the LC 500. I would say that is their flagship gasoline engine. And the 3.3L Diesel, F33A-FTV, is more of a "flagship" engine with over 300HP and 516 lb-ft of torque. IMHO

 

395 lbs of torque at 4,800 rpm isn't going to cut it in todays 1/2 ton market

thanks, but Ill keep my "abomination" 3.4