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Binding while in 4wd during shard turns

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2014+)' started by himmy33, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. Mar 2, 2014 at 9:25 PM
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    Does anyone elses truck bind to the point that it will stop the vehicle unless you give it gas when in 4wd hi? This is when the wheel is turned a decent amount not fully cranked but a fairly close.
     
  2. Mar 2, 2014 at 10:43 PM
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    Are you talking about off road or on pavement?
     
  3. Mar 3, 2014 at 7:55 AM
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    Yes. That is your Transfer case yelling at you to stahhhppp!

    You're trying to make the tires move a different speeds, and because you've locked the front and back together they can't. So either the tires, ground, or your transfer case is going to give.

    Long story short. Don't do sharp turns on hard packed ground.
     
  4. Mar 3, 2014 at 8:09 AM
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    Especially not on pavement
     
  5. Mar 3, 2014 at 8:24 AM
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    Do not turn the wheels in 4HI /4LO on dry pavement...if you want to grease the rear diff then drive it straight...turn only when conditions call for it.
     
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    This is a long wheel base vehicle, 4x4 just about doubles your turning radius because like Krazie Sj you're spinning the front and back at different speeds. I noticed a lot more wheel bind in 4x4 on the snow than I did with my 94 xtra cab 4x4 pickup. Actually I prefer to keep the truck in 2wd when driving in snow and only turning it to 4 hi when i need the traction to get going.
     
  7. Mar 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM
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    ^This guy gets it.


    As for keeping everything lubed, it's really not necessary. Everything is spinning always if the Tundra's 4x4 system is anything like the Tacoma's. (Note - This is entirely speculation.)
     
  8. Mar 4, 2014 at 10:37 PM
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    This is what I have been doing. I was surprised at how little it took to get it to bind.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2014 at 7:38 AM
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    Much heavier truck means you're going to have a lot more traction and it'll bind easier sooner.

    Extreme case, toy car on ground. Zero noticeable binding cause it's so light, the tires just slip. There's at least a good 1000+lbs difference between that 94 and the New Tundra.
     
  10. Jul 9, 2015 at 1:25 PM
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    The owner's manual for my 2015 recommends driving in 4-wheel drive once a month to keep everything lubricated. I questioned it when I read it. Copied from my owner's manual:

    Four-wheel drive usage frequency

    You should drive in four-wheel drive for at least 10 miles (16 km) each month.

    This will assure that the front drive components are lubricated.


    Seems a little out of the norm to me; how about everyone else?
     
  11. Jul 9, 2015 at 2:23 PM
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    Totally normal. Can't hurt anything. When I was in Anchorage in 2012 during a record snow/ice winter, my truck was in 4X4 the whole time. Driving up to AK thru Yukon Territory on the AL-CAN there was a stretch of snow/ice road for several hundred miles. Truck was in 4X4 the whole time and I was going up to 70 mph most of the way. No issues whatsoever. You definitely want to keep all ujoints properly lubed unless you like expensive repairs or breakdown in the middle of nowhere. There are certain restrictions in 4x4 mode when driving on dry pavement as far as speed. If you are in town and speed limit is 25 to 35, throw it in 4x4 for a couple of miles to lube the front diff. It wil NOT hurt anything.

     
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    All normal. I do it when I remember.
     
  13. Jul 9, 2015 at 9:48 PM
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    One thing to remember, even with open diff's front and rear, there will some binding when turning on dry and even semi dry surfaces. This will be compounded with any alteration to stock suspension geometry (lift ).
     
  14. Jul 10, 2015 at 8:29 AM
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    Just me, but I would never intentionally drive my truck in 4wd on dry pavement. I might do it on wet pavement, but never dry. In my mind, there needs to be some slippage.
     
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    okay call me ignorant but i dont know much about 4x4 and off roading....You arent suppose to turn your wheels while on 4hi or lo. so you dont put the truck on 4x4 when you go off-road? i thought the whole deal with 4x4 was for better traction on trails and rocks. correct me if im wrong.
     
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    You're not supposed to on pavement. Off road there is loose dirt which allows for a little slippage.
     
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    okay, so if i go out in the backroads with rocks, dirt, some mud, i would use 4hi?

    what about wheeling and mudding?
     
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    You don't always need 4wd when driving on dirt roads etc. Sometimes I just stay in 2wd when mudding just for the fun of it.

    4HI for most offroading. Only time i've gone 4LO is going through some pretty thick mud and when i was crawling over some rocks. 4LO basically gives you added torque due to the gearing in the transfercase. Also, to completely disable traction control in 4HI, when completely stopped push the traction control button and hold it until the lights come on. TC is automatically disabled when in 4LO.
     
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    Can't hurt anything on dry pavement for short distances/low speeds such as to lube the diffs per mfr manual. Especially if you have no convenient place to hit the dirt. Remember, most binding occurs doing tight turns. Do not have it 4X4 when turning on dry pavement. Keep that in mind if you are on dry pavement only to lube the diffs. With open diffs you do not have near as much binding as true LSD 's or lockers. I've experienced binding even in wet snow if deep enough. Nature of the game. Most of the old mining "roads" here can get quite steep and I am in 4LOW running in 3rd gear a lot. Any gear lower than third is good for pulling stumps, logs or really heavy loads. Most of the AL-CAN highway is paved except for a good part of Yukon Territory and I was in 4 wheel drive but........... pavement was wet and icy to snowy conditions which allowed slippage. @15max is correct. Should always avoid DRY pavement. Got a rainy day and wet paved roads? Put it 4X4 and drive a mile or two to lube the diffs. Put it in 4HI on straight stretches and turn it off if you should come to a turn. You can engage/disengage 4HI on the fly at any time.
     
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    Not necessarily. I believe to engage 4wd, you have to be at 50mph or under.
     
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    It's 63 or under and as per the manual, you may have to accelerate/decelerate to get it to lock in.
     
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    True. That is why referred to mfr manual guidelines. Most city/residential streets are well under 50 mph. I can't remember how many times I shifted in and out of 4HI well above 50 mph on my way up to AK on the AL-CAN from Dawson on up with no ill affects what so ever over several hundreds of miles. Yes you may have have to let off the pedal a little bit when engaging/disengaging.
     
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