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Bilstein 5100 Upgrade

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by benrichardson87, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Jan 30, 2019 at 11:02 AM
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    Does anyone hear suggest going with 5100s on front and shims. Either middle with 2 or top with 1? And would that be just like going with a spacer? I'm not looking to spend a great deal of money but I need 3" on the front and clearly can't get there with the 5100s. I'm running 275/65/20s right now and want to go bigger. Nothing crazy. My tires are big when you stand next to them but from a short distance they look small on the truck and that's with it being stock.
     
  2. Jan 30, 2019 at 11:04 AM
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    See my post above yours
     
  3. Jan 30, 2019 at 11:06 AM
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    Okay, that answers a few questions. So middle and 2 shims. I wonder, if top and 1 shim would be the same or give a little more height. It's almost like everyone stays away from top setting but then again, whey is there a top setting if it shouldn't be used. 99% of my miles are highway and once in a blue moon towing, so not concerned with off-roading or having the front higher from towing.
     
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  4. Jan 30, 2019 at 12:03 PM
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    So basically spacer lifts are bad because of the excess preload they create on the shocks, and shims are more or less fine to use because the amount of preload they cause is minimal?
     
  5. Jan 30, 2019 at 12:11 PM
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    The whole pre-load thing is a rumor; there is no such thing. People jump on the band wagon because they heard someone else say something about preload and then they believe it and spread the rumor. I can explain but it might get long.
    Don't worry about pre-load too much.
    There are other concerns related to spacers though, such as bump stop adjustment, different length of up/down travel etc. that are valid and should be considered.
     
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  6. Jan 30, 2019 at 12:16 PM
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    Thanks! Sounds like I'm gonna be looking in to bump stops now.
     
  7. Jan 30, 2019 at 12:16 PM
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    Correct
     
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  8. Jan 30, 2019 at 2:42 PM
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    If that is the height you want out of your lift, DO IT. No worries. I didn't want to add anything to the rear and I didn't want to make the ride too firm by going to the top setting on the 5100's. However, there is no reason why not to, plenty of people on here use the top setting. You would net almost 3 inches with the top setting and a CB shim.
     
  9. Jan 30, 2019 at 2:44 PM
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    5100's come with a bump stop washer that you add to each side. According to Bilstein, that is all you need.
     
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  10. Jan 30, 2019 at 4:44 PM
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    I have the same on my 08 for 7 years now had one fail the replaced it free keep your receipt
     
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  11. Jan 31, 2019 at 2:02 PM
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    5100's front and rear. Fronts on middle setting with 2 CB shims on each front shock, stock springs, stock wheels, and tires. Waiting to get new tires. Just got an alignment too, was necessary.

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  12. Mar 2, 2019 at 9:33 PM
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    How does your truck ride with this setup? Would you describe it as harsh, or slightly stiffer/more responsive? Thanks!
     
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  13. Mar 3, 2019 at 9:01 AM
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    Middle setting with 275/65/R20 KO2

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  14. Mar 3, 2019 at 9:15 AM
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    I have 5100s set at the top setting with two shims on the driver's side and one on the passenger's side. I'm also running 5100s in the rear with @BOSS4x4s shackles set at the highest setting. Mind you my Tundra is a Sport model. So it kinda felt like it was on rails stock. Now it has a little more body roll lifted and the front feels a tad bit more firm hitting holes in the road. I'm installing my new rims and tires on Tuesday. I'll report back how it feels then with the 18" rims and tires vs. the 20" rims and tires.
     
  15. Mar 3, 2019 at 9:26 AM
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    What’s the height comparison front vs rear? Thanks.
     
  16. Mar 3, 2019 at 9:31 AM
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    It’s about 1” lower in front. Doesn’t look like it on that angle. I’ll try and get a better pic and post it later this afternoon.
     
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    Here it is on level ground.

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  18. Mar 3, 2019 at 4:25 PM
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    My truck rides much better. The stock shocks were garbage and no good. 73,000 miles on the truck when I bought it and now it is right at 75,000. It rides firmer and stiffer, but the shocks actually work and absorb impacts correctly. The suspension response is the same I guess, except when running down rough dirt roads or the ditches around here and it is much better. It is night and day better than it was stock. I think....if I were to do it all over again, I might go with 6112's off the bat or maybe a coilover, but really for what I need and what I do with the truck, this is an excellent and welcomed upgrade. Better, newer shocks, lift/leveling kit and better looks with no rake on the truck. WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am quite pleased with the 5100's. Now, still need tires. UGH.

    UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I GOT TIRES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 275/60R20 Falken Wildpeak AT3's

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  19. Mar 3, 2019 at 5:12 PM
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    After 1 week on my 5100 upgrade, I would say it's a really nice upgrade from stock. I went middle setting with 2 shims and have the Toyotech shackle on the rear too, so I am sure that helps out some, especially with bed bounce.

    I agree on the firmer description, except it's a good firmer. It's hard to describe it. Not firmer like chatter your teeth, but more like hugs to road and rolls with the bumps and holes and rebounds better.

    For what little driving I do, I didn't want to jump up to the 6112's since I have never upgraded suspension before on any of my trucks. I have always heard it made it rough. I am a true believer now it is worthwhile and not a bad thing if you go with a good set (Bilstein, Fox, Icon, etc.). Next time, I may try the 6112's just to see, but the way I see it, I have 50-75k miles before worrying about it.
     
  20. Mar 14, 2019 at 3:58 PM
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    I just got my 5100 but I need to know if I have to upgrade my UCA to correct the caster angle \ / ?
     
  21. Mar 14, 2019 at 8:34 PM
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    No, you don't have to. But if you are thinking about it just do it at the same time so you only have to get one alignment.
     
  22. Mar 15, 2019 at 10:56 AM
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    Ok im not planing to upgrade UCA. I ask cause i got a 2.5 lift block on the truck now and my tires look like this \ / and once I mount the 5100 those blocks will be out.
     
  23. Mar 15, 2019 at 11:09 AM
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    Did you get an alignment? You have to get an alignment no matter what. I thought I had mine close, but it was way off and the outside of the tires started wearing badly.
     
  24. Mar 15, 2019 at 12:08 PM
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    Yes they aling the truck but the tire still getting wear in the outside. Thats why im trying to find out in this forum, if i need the UCA or not. I seen a few of you guys with this 5100 set up but i havent see anyone complaining about the outside wear on the tires. But to answer your question yes i been in multiple offroad shops to get this alignment but the num looks all good and the tires still getting wear in the outside.
     
  25. Mar 16, 2019 at 7:05 AM
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    I have 5100s set at the top setting with two shims on the driver's side and one on the passenger's side. I'm also running 5100s in the rear with @BOSS4x4s shackles set at the highest setting. Mind you my Tundra is a Sport model. So it felt like it was on rails stock. Now it has a little more body roll lifted and the front feels a tad bit more firm hitting holes in the road. I'm installing my new rims and tires on Tuesday. I'll report back how it feels then with the 18" rims and tires vs. the 20" rims and tires.

    *UPDATE*
    The ride between the 20s and the 18s are negligible since the front spring was compressed by raising the 5100 to the top setting. I still think it's a tad bit smoother on the 18s, but the fact that the new tires are LT "E" rated makes them firm. As for body roll, my truck is still pretty planted in turns. I do notice a bit more jarring when I hit potholes or perpendicular road seams at a high rate of speed. For now, this set up will suffice and I'm happy with it.

    I ordered SPC UCAs on the 7th of March. UPS had some issues with weather and they are not expected to arrive until Monday or Tuesday next week. The UCAs should cure my alignment issues. I know each truck is different and some don't need them, but I do and it sound's like you might as well.
     
  26. Mar 16, 2019 at 11:16 PM
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    Yeah i have to get those UCA’s cause they just aligned today and the tires still looking like this\ /. At least they i are goin to honored this aligment.
     

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