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Battery size and options

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by csuviper, Dec 24, 2016.

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What battery brand do you use on your Tundra?

  1. AC Delco

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  2. AutoCraft

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  3. Bosch

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  4. DieHard

    2.8%
  5. Duracell

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  6. EverStart

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  7. Exide

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  8. Interstate

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  9. Kirkland

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  10. NAPA

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  11. Northstar

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  12. Odyssey

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  13. Optima

    8.4%
  14. Stock for now :(

    39.9%
  1. Dec 24, 2016 at 12:43 PM
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    Just starting to look for a new battery for my 2012 Tundra. Current size is 27R.
    When I pull it up online it says 24F is the size for my truck.
    What size and manufacturer do you guys reccommend???

    After doing research I will update the OP with all of the details.



    1st Gen
    Group Size: 24F
    Minimum Cold Cranking Amps: 585

    Group Size: 27F
    Minimum Cold Cranking Amps: 650


    2nd Gen and 3rd Gen - 5.7L and 4.6L

    Group Size: 24F
    Minimum Cold Cranking Amps: 585

    Group Size:27F
    Minimum Cold Cranking Amps: 710



    Car and Truck Battery Group Size
    This refers to the battery size that will best fit the physical dimensions, terminal locations and type required for your vehicle. The Battery Council International (BCI) assigns numbers and letters for each battery group size. Group size is typically based on your vehicle’s make, model and engine type. Although some vehicles may accommodate a battery from more than one group size, it is important that you use a battery approved for use in your vehicle.


    Cold Cranking Amps (CCA)
    CCA is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. Generally speaking, it is easier to start an engine in a warm environment than in a cold one. The rating refers to the number of amps a 12-volt battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts. The higher the CCA rating, the greater the starting power of the battery.

    Consider the CCA Rating if You Live in a Cold Climate
    If you live in a cold climate, the CCA rating is a more important consideration than it is if you live in a warm one. Battery starting power deteriorates as the battery ages, so a battery with higher starting power should give you more confidence over time. Replacement batteries should equal or exceed the OE battery in ratings. Replacing a battery with a battery that has a lower CCA than the original equipment may result in poor performance.

    Reserve Capacity (RC)
    RC is a general indicator of how long a new, fully charged battery can continue to operate essential accessories if the vehicle’s alternator fails. It identifies how many minutes the battery can deliver a constant current of 25 amps at 80°F without falling below the minimum voltage, 1.75 volts per cell, needed to keep your vehicle running.

    Amp Hour and C20 Battery Capacity
    Amp Hour or C20 is an indicator of how much energy is stored in a battery. It is the energy a battery can deliver continuously for 20 hours at 80°F without falling below 10.5 volts.

    Battery Types
    Lead-Acid (Regular)

    Batteries once required drivers to periodically top off the water in the electrolyte solution, the liquid inside that is the battery’s power source. Modern maintenance-free batteries consume far less water than traditional “flooded cell” ones. Low-maintenance batteries retain their fluid for the life of the battery, and the caps on these models aren’t meant to be removed.

    A lead-acid battery will generally cost significantly less than an AGM battery. However, it will not hold a charge for as long and is less able to tolerate a deep discharge.


    Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM)

    AGMs are built to better stand up to repeated draining and recharging cycles than standard batteries. They are becoming standard equipment in more cars because modern features such as fuel-saving stop-start systems, electronic safety and convenience features, and power outlets for mobile electronics all increase the demand for power.

    But AGMs can cost 40 to 100 percent more than highly rated, conventional batteries. Consider one if you sometimes don't use your vehicle for long periods and the battery loses its charge. An AGM battery can better tolerate a deep discharge, and it is more likely to fully recover if it is accidentally drained.

    Get the Right Fit
    Batteries come in a variety of sizes. It's important to choose the right one to ensure it fits securely and provides sufficient power. If the terminals are in the wrong place, your car's cables might not reach, or they may not fit securely. Check your owner's manual or an in-store fit guide. Many retailers will install the battery for free.

    • Size 65 (Top Terminal): Fits large cars, trucks and sport-utility vehicles from Ford or Mercury.
    • Size 75 (Side Terminal): Fits some General Motors mid-sized and compact cars and a few Chrysler vehicles.
    • Size 24/24F (Top Terminal): Fits many Acura, Honda, Infiniti, Lexus, Nissan, and Toyota vehicles.
    • Size 34/78 (Dual Terminal): Fits many large Chrysler vehicles and many 1996-2000 GM pickups, SUVs, and mid-sized and large sedans.
    • Size 35 (Top Terminal): Fits most Japanese nameplates, including many recent Honda vehicles, most Subaru vehicles, and most Nissan and Toyota vehicles.
    • Size 51R (Top Terminal): Fits many Japanese vehicles from Honda, Mazda, and Nissan.
    • Size 47 (H5) (Top Terminal)
: Fits many Buick, Chevy, Fiat and Volkswagen models
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    • Size 48 (H6) (Top Terminal)
: Fits many European as well as American vehicles from Audi, BMW, Buick, Cadillac, Chevy, GMC, Jeep, Mercedes, Mini, Volkswagen and Volvo.

    • Size 49 (H8) (Top Terminal): 
Fits many European and Asian vehicles from Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Hyundai models.


    Brands
    • AC Delco:
    • AutoCraft: Available at a variety of Advance Auto Parts stores across the country.
    • Bosch: Available at Pep Boys.
    • DieHard: Available at Sears and Kmart automotive centers.
    • Duracell:
    • Duralast: Sold at AutoZone.
    • EverStart: Available at Walmart stores.
    • Exide:
    • Interstate: Available at a number of auto parts stores, repair shops, and online.
    • Kirkland
    • NAPA
    • Northstar
    • Odyssey
    • Optima


    Northstar - $339.99 on http://www.northstarbattery.com/ as of 2016-12-31
    Group: 27F
    Part#: NSB-AGM27F
    Height: 8.86
    Width: 6.77
    Length: 12.44
    Terminal Configuration: SAE
    Pulse Cranking Amps: 1750A
    CA/MCA Rating at 32F: 1080A
    CCA Rating at 0F: 930A
    Reserve Capacity 195 min
    Capacity - 20 hour Rate: 92Ah
    Short Circuit Current 5000A
    Warranty: 4 years full

    Odyssey Performance - $241.12 on http://www.odysseybattery.com/ as of 2016-12-31
    Group: 27F
    Part #: 34R-790
    Height: 7.91
    Width: 6.78
    Length: 10.85
    Pulse Hot Cranking Amps: 1500A
    Cold Cranking Amps: 792A
    20hr Nominal Capacity: 61Ah
    Reserve Capacity: 114 min

    Odyssey Extreme - $275.77 on http://www.odysseybattery.com/ as of 2016-12-31
    Group: 27F
    Part #: 34R-PC1500T
    Height: 7.82
    Width: 6.78
    Length: 10.85
    Pulse Hot Cranking Amps: 1500A
    Cold Cranking Amps: 850A
    20hr Nominal Capacity: 68Ah
    Reserve Capacity: 135 min
     
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  2. Dec 24, 2016 at 12:55 PM
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    I'm running a northstar 27f
     
  3. Dec 24, 2016 at 2:24 PM
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  5. Dec 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM
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    I have Interstate 24F. Had it a little longer than a year, so I can't really comment on longevity. My mechanic very strongly recommended it.
     
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    I put interstate batteries on all my vehicles. My Tundra takes a 27F.
     
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    I have a 34F Diehard AGM. We have a good deal with Sears through my wife's company. Love it so far.
     
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    what is AGM ?
     
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    ABSORBED GLASS MAT BATTERIES
    What is AGM, and what makes AGM technology better?


    In AGM batteries (also called starved electrolyte), there is a thin ultra-fine fiberglass mat sandwiched between the plates that are saturated with battery acid to about 95% of what they can hold. This mat is then packed in between the plates and slightly compressed, then welded/soldered in place. Because the plates and mats are packed fairly tight, they are almost immune to vibration.
     
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  11. Dec 24, 2016 at 8:55 PM
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    And they can be mounted any way but upside down (not that it matters on our Tundras :D). ++ on the Odyssey. Great battery. Got two of 'em on my boat.
     
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  12. Dec 24, 2016 at 9:15 PM
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    Seconding the Odyssey 34R-PC1500T - Running 1000w in audio, aux lights, and internal peripherals with no hiccups at all. It's a little more expensive but my last one lasted 8 years. :D

    I also have only used Odyssey in my snowmobiles because no matter how cold it is they turn over. Every other battery i've had issues with. haha
     
  13. Dec 24, 2016 at 9:30 PM
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    I run Interstate in most of my stuff. I have had good luck with them. I run the Interstate AGM's in my ATV's, they have held up great, even with a lot of plowing (winch up/down) in the cold winter.
     
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  14. Dec 24, 2016 at 10:28 PM
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  15. Dec 25, 2016 at 5:56 AM
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    Just curious why some of you went with a 34 battery instead of a 27? I thought it was bigger but its not and doesn't have as much capacity.
     
  16. Dec 25, 2016 at 6:16 AM
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    if you're asking FlashCulprit concerning the 34R-1500T Odyssey. this is listed as a BCI group 24/27 battery replacement (not BCI group 34), has 850 CCA, but requires a height adapter to match the BCI group 24/27 dimensions. Odyssey doesn't have a "27 series" battery per se. BCI groups really only refer to dimensions, not capacities.
     
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  17. Dec 25, 2016 at 6:21 AM
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    I don't think they require any additional cables for most of our trucks, Ron. Not sure about that, but having the same batteries on my boat, in marine version, the dimensions with the height adapter seem about the same as my stock battery in the Tundra, except for length, but not all that different there either.
     
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    This is correct. They don't require longer cables. They do require the height adapter Or a 1" spacer underneath. I used some black egg crate I had left over from a different project, cut it to size - everything is exactly where it needs to be.
     
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    $4.18 spacer http://shop.odysseybattery.com/p/spacer-for-group-34-batteries/batteries_auto-truck_extreme-series

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    We must be Twins:wave: I have 2 Odysseys making 24 volts and 2 Optimas making 12 volts in my boat!0419151046.jpg 0419151047.jpg and a Northstar in the truck!0726150826.jpg
     
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    Why not get a physically bigger battery? Wouldn't that increase capacity?

    I'm thinking of getting the biggest battery that will fit in the space. Is there a downside to this idea?
     
  22. Dec 26, 2016 at 7:14 AM
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    Group 27 is about as big as you can fit. But there are smaller batteries with as good or better capacity. The main criterion I would use would be that it's AGM. The Odyssey discussed previously is smaller than a group 27, but has as high or higher capacity as most group 27s.
    If you like the idea of a group 27, then the AGM Northstar 27F oughta do ya. It has 930 CCA vs the Odyssey's 850 CCA. Both have 4 year full replacement warranty.
     
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    Let me try this again:
    1) The existing OEM battery is a group 27F, 710A, w/165min reserve (12"L x 7"W x 8.5"H)

    2) the available space for a battery (or side x side duals) is 14"L x 8"W x 11.5"H

    3) the Odyssey 31-PC2150 will fit in this space with some cable adjustments and a new mount and pan.

    4) this Odyssey has about 50% more capability and capacity than the specified Odyssey replacement (34R-Pc1500)

    My question is; what is the downside to this other than the fitting and work?
     
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    None,if you're ok with the cost.
     
  25. Dec 26, 2016 at 8:40 AM
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    lol, cost is a relative variable.
    What is the cost of walking for a day because the battery couldn't power the winch to get out of the stream where the engine stalled?
    Many of the mods we make have an obscure cost/benefit.
     
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    Absolutely! I bought my Northstar after much research.I've "murdered" it 3 times by leaving my switch on for several days.After charging it back up,it shows no affects.I called Northstar about any long term harm and was told I have 4 years replacement,my choice.
     
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    Okay, I hear ya now. I didn't think about it quite along those lines. So sure, if you want to mod the compartment a little and you have, or plan to have a lot of extras on the truck where you'd need or just want more, by all means, do it. I don't need any more from a battery than what the ones I referenced would provide, so I wasn't thinking along those lines. People add more Ah all the time for their toys. Bigger batteries and whole battery banks. I didn't mean to indicate that I thought there was any downside at all.
    $250-350 is about all I care to spend on a battery. Would rather spend it on fishing gear. :D
     
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    As far as options go, I figure this will be cheaper than duals and serve the purpose for me. I wish the tundra would facilitate dual battery setups more easily. Most of my work trucks have been chevys and had an OEM shelf for a dual battery. (One more missing item from the Toyota list.) I have been studying the dual options for a while and I'm thinking that this will cost less, be an easier install and get me the winch juice when it's critical.
     
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