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Discussion in 'Suspension' started by TXRailRoadBandit73, Aug 15, 2016.

  1. Aug 15, 2016 at 5:08 PM
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    This shock is used on a Jeep, not a Tundra, which gets used a f-ton harder than we use our trucks. They are rebuildable shocks, you know, the exact opposite of yours. When your truck has 40's, 550 hp motor in a 4400 lbs rig, come talk to me.

    I will not stop telling you it is crap. You want me to piss on your back and me tell you it is warm rain?

    Your friends must have 2wd. Only way a flippen chevette is going more places than a 4x4 truck....or Darwin comes into play.

    You probably have stock shocks don't you?
     
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  2. Aug 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM
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    Yes I do have stock shocks. Like I have said I don't off road much and when I do it is low speed and light. I understand your Jeep has 30,000$ in work done to it, I understand YOU actually off-road. I also wouldn't put a spacer lift in if I was doing what you are. But for many people, and for what they want or need it is a good option. I have experience with off roading as well as my friends that rock crawl. With combined knowledge from them, myself, forums, I decided what was best for me . I looked at all options as I tow, off-road lightly, family vehicle, and work vehicle this was my best option for what I actually needed and what I could spend. Also when I have a major problem I just unbolt and bring in for warranty work. Once done bolt back up. Now if they are Illegal why did my single cab with a plow, come with 2" in front spacer from dealership ? Also if people get the wrong angle from rear blocks it might be because they were installed backwards. The ones I have used had a taller to them. Sorry you did not get the point about my chevette. The short 2 sentence story was ment to show you most people don't know how to use thier vehicles. My p.o.s. went were 4x4 trucks didn't because of the driver. Not becuase it was good. I once again will say you are right for the situation you need. That is not everyones situation. Btw do you deal with spider trax at all?
     
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  3. Aug 15, 2016 at 5:47 PM
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    This is not my shock or my jeep. I wouldn't put a 2.0 shock on a rock crawler that sees any kind of use.

    I will respond later and we can go over why doing a 2" rear lift on factory shocks is really not a good, even for a street driven rig. I will even see about doing a video with my truck going over speed bumps at 35-40 mph.

    The point of this is not to upset anyone. You have to choose the right system for a budget you have. I get it. I am on a budget as well or I would have @bandit build going on.

    We are going for ice cream....we all scream for ice cream.
     
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  5. Aug 15, 2016 at 5:48 PM
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    Sooooooo does anybody have a 4" lift blocks no blocks shackles no shackles if so let me see axle angels pm me
     
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  6. Aug 15, 2016 at 6:18 PM
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    I has long travel lift......but my axles are different than yours. I'm no help :facepalm:
     
  7. Aug 15, 2016 at 6:18 PM
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    I might actually sell the tundra come january lmao
     
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    Friend discounts? I would take care of that custom 640hp tundra that I could run over most anything.
     
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  9. Aug 15, 2016 at 6:22 PM
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    hmmmm possibly....It would suck for towing the TT though. If you want i'll give you dibs pookie
     
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  10. Aug 15, 2016 at 6:38 PM
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    Oh I would not use it for towing.

    A one ton diesel is in my future...
     
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  11. Aug 15, 2016 at 6:39 PM
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    Your front axle angles are not bad in my opinion.
     
  12. Aug 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM
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    Use it to break it! :D

    3/4 ton dirtymax in mine lol. Been eyeing them pretty hard lately.
     
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    he's lying your CV angles are absolutely horrible. Take your lift kit back to walmart. Don't believe anything pookie says lmao
     
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  14. Aug 15, 2016 at 7:28 PM
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    Lets escalate even more....I get zero axle wrap by the way with my AAL when 4 wheeling here in CO. First hand knowledge. Not hearsay. Check my build thread pics or better yet come out here and I'll show you first hand. I have seat belts. AAL has more axle wrap than a stupid block that does basically nothing but add axle wrap and the cheap way to get lift?? You are kidding right??
     
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    @Lee's rig

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    For arguments sake, and I have no idea what a factory Tundra Bilstein shock is, so I will just say it is 6" total travel. So 3" up, 3" down travel. Now let's add a couple inches of lift without extending shocks. Where does the ride height of the shock go? How much up travel
    and down travel do you have or not have? Even on small bumps you can top out your shock and break off the axle/frame mount (seen this so many times in the Jeep community). The same goes for installing to much shock and bottoming it out. Look at what happens to the factory TRD shocks that collapse on itself.

    When I did my suspension, I had to choose from so many options it was crazy. The shocks I chose was 6112 that will most likely never be at the top setting. Having up/down travel is a good thing. The rear was a CB +2 shackle lift that gave me ~1.2" lift over factory. This also made me have to invest wisely in a rear shock that could handle the extra "lift", so the Bilstein 5160 were purchased.

    I have had rides in several different trucks that had spacer lifts (this does not apply to you @aramirez73 since you have a totally different lift) that preload the shock and rides like total crap, alignments are tough to get right, and over time the ball joints take a beating.

    As promised, here are two short video's of me taking on a speed bump. First one is at 45mph, and the second was at 35 mph. This road is total crap and should be at 15 mph anyway, speed limit is 25, speed bump is 20 mph.





    With factory suspension we would have hit our heads on the roof or probably put the bottom of the shock into itself.
     
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  16. Aug 15, 2016 at 7:57 PM
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    Well done. My OME setup is quite similar. Speed bumps are a thing of the past. Definitely blows away factory TRD setup which I had for a few months. I still need to upgrade my UCA's for best alignment and down travel. You 've got a lot of experience and it's good that you share that experience here.
     
  17. Aug 15, 2016 at 7:58 PM
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    Where is @jberry813 at in this thread all I want to know..

    :popcorn:
     
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  18. Aug 15, 2016 at 7:59 PM
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    Must be out playing somewhere. Only thing I can think of...:popcorn:
     
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    Oh screw that butthole...he drives a Prius.

    Where is he been anyway? He knows a lot about these MT and LT IFS suspensions.
     
  20. Aug 15, 2016 at 8:17 PM
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    He drives a Prius?? That's good to know. I may to use that card sometime.
     
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    I don't think so. There is no way in hell I would if my two trucks were LA SC trucks.....

    Come on Mr. Jason. All right, who has his number. Start blowing up his phone...
     
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    :popcorn: all I will say
     
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    Text him....then eat popcorn
     
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    If I had his number I would... Trust me
     
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    I know @csuviper has it. It is only 8:30 on the West coast yo!
     
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    Here is my input on the rear block fiasco.

    Had 1.5" blocks with aal on the rear of my 07 Tacoma with 6" lift. Now that was bad. Axle wrap was very noticeable. Rear was very stiff. Ended up adding full lift height alcan springs and eliminated the axle wrap. Much improved ride.

    1" block on the rear of my 2012, no noticeable axle wrap. Rode exactly the same as without the block. Have heard from several vendors that the block is the best option for the rear of a 2nd-3rd gen tundra. Rides and performs like stock and doesn't hurt towing, hauling, etc. AAL for the tundra rides too stiff and there have been many complaints from customers on very stiff ride. The extended shackles that i added ride very similar to the blocks.
     
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    holy fuck lmao, it's just a discussion dude, chill out
    No I'm not joking. That's great that you don't get axle wrap with an AAL, I'm just saying I did and it was worse than with a block in the back .. I did check your build thread, you took the off beaten path once last month, I wouldn't call that wheeling really. I've wheeled in Colorado, Arkansas, Texas, Arizona, Louisiana, Iowa, Minnesota .. not my first rodeo. I would bet 90% of lifted trucks on the road have blocks in the back, here in TX anyway, cause that's what works for them.
    I've argued with Jason on tw a few times, pretty smart dude. But blocks will still work for the majority of people wanting a rear lift
     
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    Just having some fun. I don't post/take pics every time I go out and I'm not constantly taking pics while wheeling in tough spots, kind of hard to steer. I should buy a go pro. I can assure you I went off road more than once last month. I can get to some of the best 4 wheeling in the country in a hour, everyday if I wanted to. I've wheeled in Oregon, North Carolina, Florida, California, Nevada, Arizona, Washington, Alaska, BC, Yukon, Baja, Japan, Philippines, and Colorado. I'm not into blanket statements and I don't pretend that I know where and how much 4 wheeling someone does. I first started wheeling 45 years ago. Built up by first jeep in 1972. Yes blocks do work for a lot folks, especially in the flat lands. It's a cheap and easy way to get lift. Nothing wrong with that. I see a few block set ups here in CO. Usually on over lifted trucks that never leave the pavement for good reason. Guess I'll go chill out. lmao.
     
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