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Discussion in 'Detailing' started by T-Rex266, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Jun 22, 2021 at 10:01 AM
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    oh thou peasant! thy cranium cannot fathom the multitude of passing hours spent buffing thou bonnet, undercarriage, and tailpipe of said truck with a face of enjoyment spread across the face of thee and joy within thou trousers :rocket:. :D

    but yea, i'm the werido that enjoys washing a truck, even knowing that i may be washing it again within a short time because of certain circumstance :notsure::laugh:
    it can be a problem though and is probably an ever so slight form of addiction:help:
     
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  2. Jun 22, 2021 at 10:23 AM
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    I liked this post but in all honesty I actually love it.
     
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  3. Jun 22, 2021 at 11:57 AM
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  4. Jun 23, 2021 at 5:40 AM
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    So I'll ask here on behalf of a co-worker of mine. He's got a (C)Raptor :facepalm:
    He got asking me about my experience with ceramic coating both of my vehicles. He stated that he did his truck with Adam's 9h Ceramic Coating. He said he did all the work in his garage, prepped it and all. He said he had bad lighting in his garage though. He coated the vehicle. Let it set for a bit. Then went and put another coat on it. The next day when he took it out into the sun. He said the best way he could describe it was that it looked like when you put a layer of wax on a vehicle and haven't buffed it back off yet. He said it was everywhere. He brought it back into the garage and buffed it back off then just used a spray ceramic wax to put some protection on it. I'm trying to think of why it did that. It sounded like he did the process right. But didn't know if he did it when it was too humid out, didn't let it flash properly, paint wasn't free of oils like he neglected to do an IPA wipedown, or if Adams is just a sh!t product? Just curious about why it would do that and didn't know if someone had some insight about it. TIA
     
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  5. Jun 23, 2021 at 5:55 AM
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    Adams products are generally not sh!t, so I'm doubting that is the issue. I'm unfamiliar with that coating, but if there is a cure time, perhaps he attempted the 2nd coat too soon? Of the reviews I've seen of this coating, very few are written after 6 months. There are several, however, that do not give a positive review as it pertains to longevity. Did he take it out into the sun after the first coat?
     
  6. Jun 23, 2021 at 5:59 AM
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    Well idk what caused this but honestly it sounds like user error at some point. What was time in between coats? Ceramics can not be stacked at least cquartZ. You can add a second coat within one hour of the first coat. Also he may have let it sit to long waiting for the magical flash! I am not a fan of this descriptive term for coatings. Kinda like green flash and sunsets. It does not help a first time user determine the right time to give it a wipe down. I would call it oil or rainbow. But all that aside he is in this boat and needs to figure out how to fix it. Worst case scenario is that he gonna have to do the whole process over again including clay and polish with a machine to get that coating off his truck. At that point I would switch from Adam’s. I have no experience with their coatings.
     
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  7. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:01 AM
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    It doesn't sound like it. It sounded like he left it in the garage and put another coat on it before bringing out in the sun
     
  8. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:04 AM
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    I’ve done that many times without issue. Avoiding the surfaces to get to hot before a second coat.
     
  9. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:10 AM
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    Was this his first attempt at coatings?
     
  10. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:20 AM
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    i am leaning towards his flash time was missed or something. seems like everything else was done right. but idk for sure
     
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  11. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:20 AM
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    i believe so. but i think that's why he was tapping into my lil bit of knowledge cuz he found out it was my first time on my 2 vehicles and didn't have issues at all
     
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  12. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:30 AM
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    I agree! Or he layered it improperly. I would recommend to him removing and replacing with a more well know/reviewed coating using a decent detailers light and having someone with experience help/show him the process.
     
  13. Jun 23, 2021 at 6:37 AM
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    He said when he brought it out and saw it, he pulled it back in and polished it back off then sprayed with the ceramic wax he had. It looks fine when I see it at work. Doesn't have really any swirls or anything. But I do believe it was just user error. Having the bad lighting in the garage he wasn't able to remove at the proper flash time and/or he was trying to possibly coat the whole vehicle too much surface at one and when he tried to level it, it was too late.
     
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  14. Jun 24, 2021 at 3:49 AM
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    Bad lighting is a major factor. I have good lighting in my garage and still sometimes when I pull a vehicle out in the sunlight Ill find a high spot or two. First time using a ceramic coating and bad lighting = bad results. I'm not familiar with the Adams because to me they are the same Chemical Guys... garbage for the most part (except for 1-2 products). With that said, no matter what coating, if you have bad lighting, you'll get high spots.
     
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  15. Jun 26, 2021 at 8:05 AM
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    New to proper detailing and making the jump to to finally correct the paint on my Tundra. The paint is pretty rough. It had plenty of swirls from the dealer and i added plenty of damage to the paint removing the pinstripes with an adhesive eraser wheel. It also has a lot of largely superficial pinstripes from being offroad.

    This was my general plan:
    1. Strip with Dawn/wash
    2. Mother's Clay Bar System
    3. 3D One compound/polish with a Uro fiber pad
    4. 3D One Poxy

    Any advice would be appreciated.
     
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  16. Jun 26, 2021 at 8:26 AM
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    Like the 3d one products a lot. Switch your soap to something proper after you do the correction and seal.
     
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  17. Jun 26, 2021 at 9:17 AM
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    I've a black truck as well and used 3d one and white lakecountry pads which are considered a heavy polishing pad. I tried at first with the orange pads which are a light cutting pad and it left quite a haze on the paint so that's why I went with white softer pads, wanted one trip around. My truck was fairly new and not in too bad a shape though. You may want to consider trying a softer foam pad before the uro fibre in case it's enough.
     
  18. Jun 26, 2021 at 9:56 AM
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    Appreciate the advice. Do you have a suggestion for a decent foam pad? Can a foam pad be also used for wax application or is there another option thats better?

    Edit: Saw you suggested the lakcountry pads, ill take a look at those. Thanks!
     
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  19. Jun 27, 2021 at 11:05 AM
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    Only things I can think of are user error (like not having a pristine surface to begin with, not buffing off well enough, or not enough time between coats), or a bad product (maybe even just a bad batch). While I’m not a fan of Adam’s, it’s mostly because of what I see as intentional false advertising. Most of what I’ve used of theirs has been at least average. They generally have decent products, though some are overpriced. I feel that they’ve drifted a little towards the CG philosophy, but overall they are of a higher quality.

    While I’m not sure exactly why this happened to him, this is one reason why I’m not a huge fan of ceramic coatings. The reward is just not worth the risk in my opinion. Way harder to correct errors with ceramic than with other sealants. I know I’m in the minority, but I really don’t see any advantages to coatings.
     
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  21. Jun 30, 2021 at 8:31 AM
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    This is my thoughts exactly.

    I didn't see a buffing/removing step in @Fotnot 's neighbors steps. After it rainbows you have to remove it. Is that what he did, or did he just leave it and then re-apply another coating on top of it?
    https://youtu.be/nh5lpnZMDOg?t=476
     
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    I'm almost positive he let it flash then leveled it. I didn't pry too much cuz he seemed kinda embarrassed about it (I could understand that). But said when it didn't look right in sun, he went back in the garage and buffed it off with the DA. I'm still leaning towards his flash time came and he kept doing another panel or something. Hard to say for sure without a walk down of EVERYTHING done
     
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    Well there is a lot of reasons not to be embarrassed when doing a first time coating. Things happen and it’s not permanent. Hopefully he got it corrected and life is good. When I did my very first coating I did one panel complete just to make sure I was on the right track.
     
  24. Jul 1, 2021 at 5:43 AM
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    he buffed it off with the DA then used Adam's spray ceramic i think he said. truck still looks good(for a cRaptor:rolleyes:). But I think that scared him from coatings.
    I went all in with the confidence of Ron Jeremy and did the whole vehicle:muscleflexing::laugh:
     
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  25. Jul 1, 2021 at 7:09 AM
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    Alright, I know we don't like chemical guys, I was gifted the chemical guys kit that was in the prime day deal. Is there any items I should definitely not use? I've tried the quick detailer but I think I applied to much because even with switching cloths it still doesn't buff out completely. Looked good until it took my truck to work and now you can see all my wipe marks so I might stop using that.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZLCH86L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_0141JDRA55AYXR1AN9YR
     
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    Any wax or sealant on your truck before you used the quick detailer? Some products don't mix well with others. Did you apply in the hot sun? Yes, you could have applied to much and without good lighting you were unable to see the results until the nice sun showed them for you. Chemical guys is Meh, IMO
     
  27. Jul 1, 2021 at 7:35 AM
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    The truck was coated with a sport ceramic a couple months ago, did it at night so truck was cool but I did not have good lighting. I figured chemical guys wasn't worth the money but it was on sale and I didn't pay for it so as long as it won't cause harm I'll use it until it's gone. I will also be using the foam cannon on my next wash tomorrow.
     
  28. Jul 1, 2021 at 9:54 AM
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    Might be that the chemical guys quick detail doesn't bond well with the ceramic, but who knows. When I use a wax or sealant I try to stick to that brand's line for quick detailers, wash soap etc.
     
  29. Jul 1, 2021 at 9:59 AM
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    I'll have to figure out the brand of the coating and get those products then.
     
  30. Jul 3, 2021 at 11:43 AM
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    Ok so this is the brand of coating they put on my tundra and this is the only product they recommend I use on it. anyone ever heard of it?

    https://ceramicpro.com/
     

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