Are you happy with your Gen 3 Tundra?

The times and the used car markets are a changing. I was looking at upgrading to a new one and my dealer gave me what seemed like a low ball trade offer on my Tundra. So I checked Carvana and Carmax and they won't even give online quotes now. You need to go in for a physical appraisal. Vroom gave a number that was equal to the dealer's offer. The market is vastly different than it was just a few months ago.

 

Another piece of this.... Carvana apparently almost went bankrupt because they were paying too much for cars even as the market changed. Another poster said thay had stabilized their business, but that is in line with them not giving such generous online offers... or even any online offers.

 

I lived thru that. There was a popular pickup too that had the fuel tank outside the frame rails that would explode in a Tbone accident too. Wasn’t that Chevy/GM?

 

The NTSB would have them bent over a fence if they found out Toyota knew there was an issue a buried it.

 

I don’t recall which pickup that was, but it doesn’t surprise me. That was a horrible period for US auto manufacturers in general. QC and safety concerns were lagging far behind foreign manufacturers at that time.

 

I think history is going to show that '21 & '22 are ebb points as well.

 

I lived through that as well. My first car was a used 1966 Mustang in which the top of the gas tank was the floor of the trunk. It had a thin vinyl mat under which condensation would gather and eventually rusted through. it was a fastback model so the first clue was strong gas fumes in cabin. Needless to say I had to replace the gas tank. I learnt a lot about working on cars with that POS.

 

I have no issues with my '23 SR5. Went with the Base Model because I did not want or need all the other bells and whistles and issues that come with them. Other than the current Fire Hazzard I don't have any notifications and I'm very happy with my Gen3. Honestly I'm gonna just drive it - I've looked at the obvious and until the Mothership says they have a fix it is not going to see the stealer ship. This Gen3 Tundra site is beginning to sound and look a lot like the Gen3 Tacoma. Lots of bitchers and complainers - never satisfied and nothing positive to say. Just sell the damn thing, move on and buy your Chevy, Ford, Dodge or Nissan. Otherwise drive the damn thing and enjoy it - even with its' shortcomings. Mine tows great - plenty of power. The AC is fine. The mileage is way better than the Gen3 Taco. The ride is great. Plenty of space. So go ahead and start your bashing and trashing cause you can't do anything else. Put me on your ignore list because you will be on mine.

 

Excellent advise. Follow what Tom said.

Also check carfax vin of this particular truck and ask Toyota to pull full detailed service visits history. It should show you if any chronic issues are present or if it had rebuilt engine because of the engine bearing failures. Some 2022's have very bad issues that can't be fixed such as deformed doors, rattling, and wind noise issues... So watch out, you may not detect the issue right away and be stuck suffering with it. Do lots of extended test drives, listen to any whistling or noises on the freeway, read through these forums and make list of issues to check for

 

And that is why I would consider the current new one vs a used one.

 

I love mine. Bought at MSRP and have no regrets. My brother in law borrowed it to pick up some stuff from a house he has in NOLA. He absolutely loved it and said he is going to trade in his Merc GLE 450 on a new Tundra.

 

Nope, not at all. I'm going to give it a chance but at this point I wish I had kept my Gladiator and pants on for a new truck until I thought more through, but live and learn.

 

your pants? what don't you like about the Tundra?

 

Came from a 2011 MGM RockWarrior Crewmax. My 11 served me well until the end when it had electrical issues pop up and cost me a hefty tow across 2 states, the issues never fully went away and thus the truck I thought I would keep until 200k I no longer trusted and here I am.

Love my 23. Is it whisper quiet on the highway? Nope, is it unreasonable for for a full size truck with E rates KO2s? Nope. Drives great lots of power got a good price. Added GoRhino RB20 running boards, rough country aluminum trifold tonneau cover, and katzkin leather. If I did it over, maybe get a limited? But I love my sr5 with no chrome and black accents...If this motor proves reliable for me I will not be missing the 5.7.

 

I, too, came from a 2011 MGM Rock Warrior DC. It was great! I traded it in with 104K miles and got almost half of what I paid for it in trade-in value. I was thinking about replacing the Bilstein shocks and keep going. But due to health issues, I decided I needed a softer riding vehicle. I think my serious off road days are over and I was looking at a Highlander. Finally decided I couldn't do it.

My 2023 Limited is also MGM, 4WD, but does not have the TRD package. The ride is soft, sometimes I wonder if it's too soft. Still feels odd to be running "P" tires instead of my favorite BFG AT-KO2 E rated tires. I'll admit that the nanny devices like BSM, adaptive cruise control, and even the bigger back up camera screen really helps.

We have already gone on one road trip and it's very comfortable. The cooled seats are nice! Getting ready to do another road trip next month. I'm averaging 20 MPG vs the 16 of the Rock Warrior. Yeah, we didn't buy trucks for the economy but with the better gas mileage and larger gas tank, it's great not having to make as many gas stops.

So yes, with 4K miles so far, I'm very satisfied. Even the wife prefers riding in my Limited over her RAV4.

 

I have owned my 2023 Tundra for 3 months. For 2 days i loved it, then it was nothing but annoying for 2 months.

- The safety features get in the way of trying to use the truck day in and day out for work (on a farm). Maybe I'm over sensitive because I had an emergency, needed to load the new truck with the tailgate down and back it up to my shop to unload it. The Tundra kept seeing a boogie man in the gravel drive and braking by itself. So friggin' annoyning. Yeah, you can turn it off, but I didn't know how and yeah, you can change the sensitivity so it doesn't happen as much, but for me, it sucked.
- the seat belt "warning" is bogus IMO. Toyota's job is to give me a warning when I don't have the belt on. I should take responsibility for knowing if I can drive 100 ft down my drive between a barn and my shop. Instead, Toyota assumes they know better, ratchet up the alarm to a banshee scream in about 15 seconds.
- It belches and farts so much for everything that I never know if there is actually a problem I care about, so I ignore them all. Like the warnings in cA tha the state seems to know that everything in the world causes cancer.
- the memory seats didn't work when I first bought the truck. Root caused to the dealer not doing the Pre Delivery Inspection (PDI) correctly.
- I kept getting a notice asking me fi I wanted to adjust my seats. Click "yes" and it does nothing. Click "No" and it asks again. Root caused to the dealer not doing the Pre Delivery INspection correctly (did not add the key fob to the profile
- reported various issues to Toyota, they pointed me to the dealer who I'm sure is a capable vehicle support organization, but seems to know nothing about computers or networking. Toyota sells both a vehicle, a computer, and a networking endpoint. IMO, they should get that into their heads and build some suport organization for it.
- After I told the customer service rep it made no sense for me to go back to the dealer after most every issue I found was caused by them, the Tundra asked me for a Pin every 5 minutes all day long. It stopped after a day. My assumption is that someone from Toyota was screwing with me for complaining. The dealer had not idea why it happened, Toyota hasn't given me any other theory.

So in general, no. I do not like my first Toyota. I work in manufacturing where "Toyota quality Management" is revered by all. And then I bought my first Toyota and I was like "WTF?"

It seems to me the Tundra is like a Show horse instead of a work horse. NO one seemed to give any thought to how the Truck would be used for work. They handed the
safety features" over to the Prius team, put in some nice blue stitching, a big 14" screen that doesn't actually show anything, and fake engine noise.

 

Love my TUN

 

billberner brings up a good point. What they need is a way for Toyota to shut off all the safety items at time of purchase AFTER you sign a waiver of liability for people just like Bill ( Farmers, Ranchers, Construction, Oil Fields, etc) and others that just need a work truck with no beeps or safety stuff other than seat belts. Even an SR model has all the safety sense 2.5 beeping, braking, stopping stuff. They must already have work arounds for Fleet vehicles. At my old Co. anyone of 100 people could drive that truck day to day and theres certainly no way we'd deal with that Guest Driver setup on the Infotainment screen. Maybe it would just be tied to the Keyfob and thats that. ( no phones )

 

someone makes some very good points and suggestions. Very unlikely the Mothership will take their advice. What needs to happen is the for those looking to purchase a truck made in this day and age is to realize the good olé days are gone. Even purchasing the "base" model gets you bells and whistles that can be annoying. If you can't deal with these non-negotiable so-called improvements, then you really need to look for a pre 1990 option. Sell the new truck you hate and can't find a way to like and move on. Even new tractors are packed full of new-era technology.

 

Yep, most came from results of lawsuits after stupid people did stupid things...all about liability nowadays.

 

Exactly. But if someone does that they may soon realize the mistake they made. No offense, but don't let nostalgia fool you into thinking vehicles were better back in the day. They weren't. Not even close. Modern vehicles certainly are way more complex but the quality is better, they are safer, faster, and get better MPG. These really are the good old days.

 

agree that today's vehicles are far safer, efficient and complex than the good ole' days - so why would someone purchase a Gen3 which has all the bells and whistles and then complain about the bells and whistles - which was my point - today you get bells and whistles - pre '90's you got simplicity most garage mechanics could repair. Doubt someone who knows about horses would purchase horse without knowing everything about it before they bought it. My response was to post 152 above - agree or disagree with it. I'd like to read your thoughts on it.

 

Agree with you totally. All I can do when I read #152... or as much of it I could get through... is shake my head.

 

If figuring out the seat adjustment alert is wrapping you around the axle you need to sell the truck immediately.

 

I do not understand the comment "If figuring out the seat adjustment alert is wrapping you around the axle you need to sell the truck immediately."

For that particular issue, I was frequently being asked if I wanted top adjust the seats and the dialog did nothing. Clicking yes did absolutely nothing, clicking "no" caused the truck to ask again a random number of times. There's no excuse for that behavior IMO. Then after a few hours (and some help on another forum posting!) I figured out it was because the Dealer never added my fob to my profile. To me, that is a non-obvious solution to a problem that should not have been there. And when you tell the dealer is happening, why on earth wouldn't they immediately recognize it, fix it? Instead you just get, "I've never seen that before."

In general, I believe the 2023 is probably a good truck. Just too many handoff issues like that made the experience annoying.

 

The comment means that if you can't dispatch that simple issue pretty quickly the truck isn't for you. They are complicated vehicles that have many sensors and SW settings and calibrations. If it's frustrating for you to figure it out you should ditch the truck. You're not going to like it.

 

The problem with that mentality is people who use trucks to do truck things still need trucks. There are no options on today’s market without all that unnecessary crap.

I’ve said it before - when I was buying my truck the salesman laughed when I told him I wanted manual windows and locks and no air conditioning.

 

Sounds like dealer didnt do their due diligence with their pre-delivery ispection, doubt that user would be able to 'figure' it out without carista/Techstream.
Thats on dealer, imo

 

pair the key and do the seat reference. It takes no time and is well documented.
Did you have the issue on your Gen3?

 

It's not a mentality. They build for top line and bottom line performance. They know what paying customers want and it's a better business to build full featured product.