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Anyone using their Tundra to tow TT's

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by ATBT, Aug 10, 2016.

  1. Aug 10, 2016 at 5:18 AM
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    Hello-

    I am looking to purchase a TT to do some traveling and the models that fit my need are in the 8500-9500 lb. weight class dry. I need to look to a truck that will tow this weight and at times up steep grades (mountains) without hesitation or overload on the tranny and engine.

    I love Toyotas and have had them sine 1987. But I wonder if I need to look to the diesel world to get a true work horse for such a task???

    Anyone else out there that tows such weights on a monthly basis for short travel to campgrounds or even longer distances that have a Tundra with the 5.7 liter with no issues doing such?

    Thank you-
     
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  2. Aug 11, 2016 at 8:44 PM
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    I traded a '16 Taco because it went from a V6 to an hybrid at 10,000 feet. Altitude kills, and sounds like you are at 95% of towing capacity for the Tundra and that is a lot. I don't think any RV dealer recommends going over 70%. My tiny camper is only 3300 or so, and it doesn't hamper the Tundra, but you know it's there.
    Definitely need to scour the forums and do some sold research, or you will be upgrading to F250 diesel. Good luck!
     
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  3. Aug 11, 2016 at 10:36 PM
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    I wouldn't do it by knowing what I know now. By the time you get loaded up you will be WAY over weight for the Tundy. With that much dry weight you are into 3/4 ton if not diesel territory. My toy hauler is Dry Weight 7,785 lbs (2016 Heartland Torque T29) GVWR 9999 lbs. I have only towed it dry so far and I am glad I didnt go any bigger. I have air bags ready to install as soon as she gets back from the body shop.
     
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  4. Aug 12, 2016 at 3:11 AM
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    Mud is right. Your gonna need 3/4 ton truck. Never look at dry weight even when you leave rv dealer it will weigh more. Look at gvw. Tundra is a beast my cm tows my 7500lb tt like its nothing.
     
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    I am towing a 7500lb. TT. I live at 8400 ft. and usually tow above that altitude. I have airbags and a 10K Equalizer hitch. But only tow this weight 10-12 times a year. The Tundra does very well with this setup. However, I wouldn't go much heavier as others have stated.
    My kid tows a 6K and 10K trailer daily. About 40K miles per year. He was using a 2500 Duramax and they didn't hold up at all. He had all kinds of problems with them. He is now in a 1 Ton Ford.
    Towing on a constant basis is extremely hard on a truck and towing something at the max weight is just going to speed up those affects.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Aug 12, 2016 at 5:27 AM
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    That is what I was afraid of! I do wish Toyota would enter the Tundra into the diesel world as an added option or package! Maybe someday they will for I know they are losing Toyota fans who tow heavy loads to the American truck field that has given this option for decades.

    Looks like a GMC Sierra 2500HD Duramax is in my future possibly.
     
  7. Aug 12, 2016 at 5:30 AM
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    No kidding! I have heard these tow like nobody's business! You think he had a so called lemon in his HD Duramax?
     
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  8. Aug 12, 2016 at 5:51 AM
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    How long of a trailer are you looking at?

    You must be looking at a double cab Tundra? A CM would be way overweight.

    My CM is at 5900 lbs as it sits. My Keystone Outback from the factory is 6400 lbs dry. This is what it scaled.

    image.jpg

    So my trailer is actually 7260 lbs dry.

    Now add water, food, people, extra fuel, generator, camper supplies..etc. campers get heavy very quickly.

    At the weight you are looking at, go bigger. Not saying diesel, but something that can handle the weight.
     
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  9. Aug 12, 2016 at 6:04 AM
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    I would say lemon.

    There is always someone the knows someone else that has a "insert vehicle here" comment. It is a crap shoot with diesels anyway now days.

    All my friends with diesels have the 6.7L Ford diesels. Some have been great, some are not. I will not be getting one due to the issues they have had with theirs.

    If you do go diesel, do not daily drive it. Repeat, do not daily drive it. The new generation diesels plug up quick and you will have nothing but problems. So what I am saying, get a Toyota Camry with your new diesel as well.
     
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    I'd suggest looking at a lighter trailer. There are some very good options. I just returned from a 5,600 mile, 5-week trip in the Canadian Rockies towing a Lance TT. My 1794 had no trouble whatsoever.
     
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  11. Aug 12, 2016 at 6:25 AM
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    I would agree. 24' camper would be in my sights. My 28' is pushing the limits of my truck in weight and wind resistance.

    Last three months I have towed 3900 miles with mine in the Colorado/New Mexico mountains.
     
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    I agree with what others have been saying about the Duramax. One of our work trucks on my Fire Crew is a 2014 Duramax with just over 30,000 miles and it has been back to the dealer 4 time regarding issues with the Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) system. They have replaced the tank at least once, maybe twice. It is out of warranty in 6,000 miles so I'm nervous it's going to start costing us a lot of money to maintain it. It does tow well but as a consumer buying a truck for myself I would never buy a Chevy Duramax after the frustration with this thing.

    Another truck on my old crew was a 2012 F-550 and the engine blew at 25,000 miles. The dealer had to take the cab off of the chassis to change the motor. Luckily is was still under warranty. Before that we had a 2008 or 2009 ford F-450 that had a lot of problems as well. Constantly had issues with the old Diesel exhaust regen system.

    I considered getting a Dodge Cummings but I have heard mixed reviews on the newer ones. I test drive a 2012 with 70,000 miles on it and it threw a CEL during the test drive so I just took that as a sign.

    These are the reasons I just bought a new Tundra. If you're going to tow more that 9,000 pounds a diesel might be the way to go but it's a crap shoot in my opinion.
     
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    Crap shoot is right!!lol.

    I actually looked at an 04 Dodge Cummins 6 speed with 54000 miles. No DEF, DPF and no issues. Keep it stock and enjoy the diesel torque.

    I'm pretty sure my wife was serious about a divorce if another Dodge sits in my driveway.
     
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    Good discussion, we're looking at travel trailers right now too. Good info. Thanks.
     
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    I towed at 25' trailer that was dry at 4,200lbs. I forgot it was back there a few times lol. Just remember wet weight including passengers, full gas tank gear ect. will add up fast.
     
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    I have done this before on other forums in the past, so any members in Colorado that want to test out their trucks with my 28', are more than welcome to give it a whirl.

    If you are looking at a Tundra and want to buy an 8k lbs travel trailer, you can use my truck so you don't have to have buyers remorse.

    Not sure how people are towing 9500lb campers in the Rockies without being in the slow lane with the flashers on, but we can test that out too. Bring your Tundra down, I will put my tundra on my flatbed car hauler and we can test that out as well. That will be 9k lbs.
     
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    Seems to be a great topic here. All the TT's I have looked at for my needs are around 26-30' in length and weigh from 7500-9500 lbs. dry. I was told by a long time camper as far as the water goes.............always when you can load water when you arrive at your destination.

    Now that said there may be some other options on lighter trailers if they will fit what I need. Definitely a slide out for added room and needs to have two BR's.

    So more internet research for sure. I want to buy Tundra for it I know is a better made truck overall. But I want to be able to haul without much stress on the engine and tranny as well when I do haul.
     
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    Where do you plan on towing? (What state)

    The trans and engine seem to be rock solid. I would not worry about that as much as the suspension.

    Water sometimes is needed before the destination. Not sure what kind of camping you like to do. Some like RV parks and others like being unplugged. Personally, I like being unplugged.

    Here is another thing to look at. On a TT, your tongue weight will be 9-12% of the trailer weight. If you are looking at trailers with 7500 lbs dry with no options (AC, propane tanks, LDH, etc), your tongue weight will be ~675 lbs.

    So let's use my vehicle capacity for an example, which is 1325 lbs

    My trailer empty is 7260 lbs.

    So I have approx 675-871 lbs tongue weight. So I have 454-650 lbs to play with.

    We have 500 lbs of people and dogs. I mitigate this a little by loading my dogs in the trailer. So 150 lbs goes to the trailer.

    Now we can add water. 47 gallons worth. There is 375 lbs. lucky most water tanks are in the rear of campers.

    Load up with Generator, supplies and clothes, I would say an easy 500 lbs, and that is being liberal. My generator is 82 lbs filled with gas.

    So my trailer weight is 8285 lbs. so now if I am at max tongue weight of 911 lbs at 11% of total trailer weight.

    1325
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    =414 lbs to play with.

    Now take away 330 lbs for my wife and I.

    We have 84 lbs to play with. Crap, I forgot about my kids weight. 60 lbs for my oldest and 40 for my youngest. We be over a little.
     
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    No lemon. He's had two of them in the past 6 years. The first one just fell apart around the chassis, literally. Door hinges broke, tailgate broke, bumper and mirror fell off. The engine and tranny were always having issues. The second one he had for two years. He's still trying to sell it. Has a new turbo, tranny and a list of other new parts on it. He tows every day with his truck 6-10K lb. trailers, so he is the ultimate truck tester.
    He picked up a new F350 deisel 3/4 weeks ago. It just got out of the shop. It now has a whole new exhaust, about $3200 worth. We'll see how this truck holds up after a year. Not looking good so far.
     
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    This has been my experience with the big three as well. Thats why my garage has 4 Toyotas in it.
     
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    Wow! I may revisit trailers in the range of 5500 lbs. dry with a lighter hitch weight then and look to a Toyota. I am looking for a slide out for extra room and sleeps 4-5 in the 23-25 foot range. I know there are some hyper-lite and super-lite TT's but may not have all the amenities I would wish but would easily work.

    I do not want a truck that will be in the shop constantly. I have to say in my 30 years of Toyota ownership they have never had issues and I knock on wood that they never do!

    Like I said.............I wish Toyota would just enter the diesel field and make a reliable one.
     
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    BTW- Thanks for all the honest and detailed feedback folks! It has been invaluable for sure. As far as Ford............I would never buy another after having a few. They are pure junk in my opinion. Hope I have not offended anyone on that but I have never had a Ford without a recall or a tranny that did not slip or knock!
     
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    I am looking at weights of the hyper and super lites now.
     
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    Two types of towing. Happy when you get there, and PO'd to the max! If you want to keep the Tundra, really consider your area or where your headed. Some national forest and state campgrounds here in Colorado only have spaces for 28' and below. You can go remote if you have larger, but then you're hauling black water out with you and may be searching for fresh water again. At least we in Colorado hope you're hauling the fertilizer out. I'm looking at upgrading to a smaller composite side with a slide, 20-28 max. I can haul it and not worry about the gross too much. All I really want is a wet bath, and 60 gallons of fresh water. That's the needle in the haystack. Camper manufacturers thing old guys want to shoe horn their fat arse's in 3X1 tub with their knees to their throat, or squeeze your nugget into the shower stall light hole shade plastic hat thing on top.
     
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    SOCO! So true! I've had numerous TTs and for the life of me could never understand the thought process that went into laying out the floor plans. Tiny bathrooms, no pantry, no privacy, little water. I've been looking for about 2 years. Gone to a few RV shows but never saw one that had most of what I wanted. Can't remember what site I was on but looked at the floor plan of this Kodiak we recently bought and it looked like something I could live with. Found out there weren't any at all in CO. so I ended up driving to Tuscon to get it. There a few good ones out there but it takes a lot of looking to find them.
     
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    I had a 2008 cm with 5.7 dual exhaust and other minor upgrades. I tow a 25ft travel trailer 7000 lbs fully loaded. With the 08 avg 8 mpg. Finally broke down and bought a 2016. Mainly bigger fuel tank 38 gal, ibc which just works ok and other luxuries my 08 didnt have. Same trailer same mpg. I have an 06 ram 2500 with cummins. Tundra tows with no problem but i only use it when i go fishing or hunting because of mileage and because the ram does not do well in soft sand or mud where i go fishing and hunting thats the reason for tundra. When i take long trips with trailer that dont require to much off road i use the ram. I get 14 mpg with diesel while towing. If you are going with a trailer that heavy would definately look at 3/4 ton or diesel options. Cant tell you much about the new diesels. Did go look at titan diesel but did not compare to my ram. Mine has 230,000 miles on it and runs great. The only major repair was trans that had to be rebuilt at 225,000 miles. Depending on your needs the tundra might not be enough. You also have to take into acct. Passengers, equipment you take, basically everything you will have in your truck when you tow. That will let you know what you need for your purposes. Personally have not heard good things about new diesels due to emission requirements. That is why i will not get rid of my 06. Just make sure you have enough capacity and braking for the trailer you will use.
     
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    Can you? yes. Should you? Prolly not. While the Tundra is a tow beast that can likely tow well above its published ratings, you don't need the legal hassles. If you are in an accident while towing above the tow rating, at best, insurance will refuse to pay. At worst, you could get sued. And make no mistake, the "needs" you quoted will exceed the published capacities once you are all loaded up.

    I think you'll need to either lower your needs or up your truck. That said, there are some seriously nice TT's out there that weigh significantly less.
     
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