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Discussion in 'Fishing' started by MEWaters, Jul 8, 2020.

  1. Jul 8, 2020 at 11:03 AM
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    Have an 86 or 88 Johnson 6.0 2 stroke just got from my dad, was his father's
    It is clean and was running 2 years ago
    twist throttle will not move 1mm now
    throttle linkage will not move with cable attached; moves freely with it removed
    got into the twist throttle, can't move the cable at all from either end (linkage or twist)
    do i assume this cable is the culprit?
    I cannot seem to remove it
    any tips would be appreciated!
    Can upload pics if needed
    thanks ya'll
     
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  2. Jul 8, 2020 at 3:58 PM
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    Update
    Got cable out, it was seized pretty bad
    Been working some blaster into it and it’s free and moving again.
    Plan on doing that for a couple days then putting it back together
     
  3. Jul 8, 2020 at 4:54 PM
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    Good luck on getting it back into running condition! A lot of sentimental value and memories tied up in that motor I'll bet.
     
  4. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:01 PM
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    thank you!
    grandfather bought it and the boat he gave me as well the day he retired and caught countless salmon, rainbows and brookies in it
    hoping to do the same with my kids :)
     
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  5. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:09 PM
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    Use good synthetic 2 cycle oil and a little Seafoam in the fuel
    New spark plug. I’ve found the NGK plugs work the best in 2 strokes
    I definitely need a pic
     
  6. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:14 PM
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    tearing down the gearcase tonight and cleaning it, adding fresh oil when i get some
    thanks for the other tips; how much "a little seafoam" LOL
    will add pics in a few
     
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  7. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:26 PM
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    My suggestion is to start with carburetor/s as ethanol gasoline is most likely the cause of sudden death and vintage motors worst enemy...
     
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  8. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:26 PM
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    got lucky and came across a trailer 7 hour round trip yesterday. Don't mind cramped garage
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  9. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:27 PM
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    I have no doubt it will fire up and run once I get the cable functioning again
    Using ethanol free high octane in it

    ETA - I hope I don't eat crow
     
  10. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:43 PM
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    Me too...
    Also check the gas tank for rusting conditions, ethanol gas (if used previously) absorbs moisture and promotes internal gas tank rust conditions which creates carb problems as well.
     
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  11. Jul 8, 2020 at 5:44 PM
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    it's the original metal can :yes: LOL
     
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    I'm betting on needing either a carb rebuild or replacement, depending on how long it has sat. Even ethanol free gas will turn to varnish and really screw shit up. I've worked on old motorcycles for years and the carb is the 1st place I start.
     
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  13. Jul 8, 2020 at 6:27 PM
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    I'm with Azblue and have dealt with issues very similar on vintage motorcycles.

    Edit addition: Gas tank rusting and six carburetors clogged due to ethanol gasoline issues...

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  14. Jul 8, 2020 at 7:28 PM
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    I'll rebuild or replace the carbs this winter
    gonna run her if I can this summer with the fam - access to nice free camp sites here in the state
     
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    Reassembled throttle cable and it works at the moment
    drained gear case today and fluid didn't look bad
    changed plugs to NGK - cylinders were still moist but I added some wd40
    old plugs didn't need to be replaced per se
    hit every grease point per manual
    Prop turns freely in N; flywheel turns without resistance in F and R when I spin the prop
    still haven't taken down gear case yet. Planning on that and fuel pump this weekend
    Had to mess around with saltwater seized nuts and bolts on the trailer today adjusting bunkers and adding new eye hooks - boat now sits level and doesn't flop around - nice
    So far so good but I still haven't cranked it yet!
    Checked out gas tank and surprisingly it is shiny inside

    The most I've ever done before this is oil change, tire change, sprocket change on 2 wheelers and my vehicles. This is fun so far lol
     
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    Looks pretty good!
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  17. Jul 11, 2020 at 4:42 PM
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    decided to take a look at a wheel bearing on trailer - good thing i did.
    One race was completely gone. Took a bit to get it off, haven't gone after the other yet but will be replacing both completely
    will probably get 2 whole new hubs as well tomorrow and call it good.

    My buddy just stopped by and drove off a beater santa fe that needs some work. He will soon be the youngest master Yota tech at only local dealership
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    crow tastes like shit lol
    haven't been able to turn it over for an hour now
    only wanted to fire once about 20 pulls in, other than not not even a sputter from the cylinders
    there is some exhaust coming out with every pull
    the only thing i have not taken down is flywheel and carb
    any advice before tearing it down and getting into something I know little to nothing about?
    last ran in 2016
    about to throw a wrench through my garage windows between the money and time spent on the trailer and motor so far

    eta - all hoses, gas tank, fuel pump and filter, gaskets, etc to me look OK
     
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    i am getting sparks on plugs by grounding on block while pulling
     
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    It’s not getting fuel. You gotta go through the whole fuel system...lines to tank, low pressure pump, carbs. I agree the carbs will need a rebuild after sitting that long.

    I fixed up four pieces of lawn equipment for friends this spring. All four required carb work.
     
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    This should be fun
    so junk all original fuel lines etc now?
    ores for a few weeks then LOFL
    Thanks ALL
     
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    Also, make sure you’re choking and or priming it correctly.
     
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    i grew up on dirt bike since 4 years old, dad always had boats - i THINK I am choking correctly but also never started something that has sat this long
    she wanted to fire once after spraying more 40 in the cylinders, which makes me think fuel prob like you had said
     
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    I was gonna say, if you u want to hear it fire up, squirt some fuel into the carb throat and start it. It should run for a couple of seconds.
     
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    Honestly I wouldn’t jump to replacing all the fuel lines unless I saw something obviously bad. I’d focus on the carb first. Also, not sure if these have a separate fuel pump like bigger outboards or if it’s built into the carbs like jet skis.
     
  26. Jul 14, 2020 at 5:21 AM
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    separate fuel pump it is tiny, just finished taking that off and apart, saw at least one screw fall into the trash can of water my motor is in right now. Def a learning curve LOL
    It was wet all the way through so I know it's at least hitting the pump
     
  27. Jul 20, 2020 at 11:41 AM
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    carb off and inspected, float ball looks new, jet clear. Brought to marine shop and they looked it over tested it and said carb is g2g
    just ordered OEM fuel pump, will replace and see what happens. There was a little corrosion on the check valves, i missed that the first time.
     
  28. Jul 31, 2020 at 2:36 PM
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    New fuel pump and lines and still a no go
    I've officially given up on this one and dropping it off at the marine shop who looked over my carb
    Learned a lot along the way but just need it in the water at this point :mad:
     
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