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  1. Jun 18, 2020 at 9:18 AM
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    We’re having our first home built, and the foundation has gotten pushed through 3 different scheduled dates now.
    I think our sales rep is BSing me.

    He has told us that it’s ready to be placed and passed inspection.

    I went and looked and there isn’t any rebar or wwf anywhere. Not even in the footers. Is this common in housing foundations? Even the sidewalks I’ve seen have at least some wwf in them.

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    Definitely need rebar in there!
     
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    I’m a retired home builder. Appears to be a post tension slab, so there will be a grid of cables for reinforcement, but would still need rebar in the footings from my experience. Don’t know about being ready to pour regarding inspections, definitely would need inspected in the markets I’ve worked in, not sure about Texas though.
     
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    I have 0 experience with post tension.
    Wouldn’t the cables still have to be already set?

    My main concern is that he told us that everything was ready and the placement was scheduled for yesterday.
    I’m worried they’re about to dump concrete in there without any sort of reinforcement.
     
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    Hah. Probably couldn’t afford him
     
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    Yes needs placed prior to pouring the concrete. Most of the foundation contractors I’ve used have 3rd party independent inspectors to avoid waiting for local inspection, not sure that is helpful. You should be able to see inspections through your local government, might try that. No harm in asking the sales person also.
     
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    Homebuilder here.... It looks as if they have already floated the garage/porch/ and brick ledges. This is something you do AFTER you install either the cables or the rebar. Either should be onsite already laying out front. Take lots of pictures. Document emails to your sales person asking this question. Have you seen the actual foundation plans(we leave them in a pvc pipe with caps on both ends on site). I have never poured a foundation in Houston without something to increase the tensile strength such as rebar and post tension cables or just rebar. Are you in a county or city ? County inspections are somewhat lax at times. Hire an independent inspector. YOu need them pre-pour, pre-insulation and pre-close.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    I see a green inspection sticker on a riser, see if that is just for the plumbing or the actual foundation. There should be a number you can call and ask the inspector on the sticker.
     
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    Aren’t Texas contractors still using the Oklahoma guarantee?

    “well, if it don’t hold together, I’ll be a son of a gun!”
     
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    Helps a lot. Thank you.

    Looks like I’ll need to go back out and take a better look.
    I’ve asked for prints before and they didn’t seem to want to share them.
    There definitely isn’t any rebar or wire staged on site.
     
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    I would also ask why they do not have a vapor barrier in the bottom of the beams? They covered the plumbing in mastic I see. It could be that you just have great dirt and not gumbo we have in the Houston area and this is what the soil test and engineer determined. I would ask these questions nicely in writing to someone in the company. We also will lay wire mesh in the top 5" to help with cracking. After they pour it its also nice to water the foundation for a day or so.
     
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    Sorry for the late response. I would ask if the foundation is engineered. If the slab is engineered your builder will have a set of plans for the foundation showing the specs for the rebar or post tension cables, beams & the depth of beams. I agree with other people’s comments that the ledger boards are typically installed after the steel rebar is set in place.

    This is what a post tension slab will look like when they are prepped for concrete.
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    Here is what a convention slab with rebar will look like before concrete.
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  15. Jun 18, 2020 at 3:38 PM
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    I've done a little..
    Do you have a construction materials testing company for the job?

    Are they using fiber reinforced concrete?
     
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    I’m waiting to hear back from my point of contact. He won’t be back in town till Saturday.
    Even with fibercrete I would imagine there would still need to be some reinforcement.
     
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    Getting better and faster information from this forum than the actual builder. Appreciate it guys!

    I’m gonna shit a brick if they somehow end up pouring before Saturday when I get an answer back on my email addressing all this.
     
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    OP - I live in Austin, inspections saved my butt when we did a custom home 15 years ago. Ask for the inspection report. My builder actually complained to me one day about how 'picky' the inspector was about stuff. My reply "Well, that saves me headaches and you a lawsuit in the future if things are not done right".
    Also, I didn't let him draw out of my account UNTIL I inspected the work and saw the inspection report (if one was required). Do yourself a favor, ask for the report, or even consider hiring an inspector on your own dime to do independent inspections. It could pay off for you, and if nothing else, you will sleep better through this building process.
     
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    Ha. I’m gonna have to put this one in the toolbox to use.
     
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    OK, dumb question. What are all the squares covered in plastic? Usually here in AZ everything is built on a slab (yes with cables or rebar), but other than pipes and vents,and footers it is totally flat.
     
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    Gotta have an inspection report. Get that concrete tested. If you end up with cracks that will be the first thing looked at. I used to test concrete and did some soils testing for a couple places back in the day.
     
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    I've done a little..
    Compacted soil
     
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    Weird, I have never seen a slab poured like that before.
     
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    The experts will chime in. But I think In general it offers more stability on softer soil.
     
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    Pretty sure it has a lot to do with cost. Those blocks of compacted soil decrease the amount of concrete you need to pour and it gives you beams
     
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    I think it would do the opposite.
    Having a pad with only footers would use less concrete than a pad with footers and beams.
     
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    That would make sense, our dirt is like a rock. We have a lot of Caliche here, it's not uncommon to use a breaker bar or even a jackhammer to dig a hole.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliche
     
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    I've dug in some caliche. No fun at all!
     
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    The black plastic is a vapor barrier to prevent moisture. It’s supposed to be at least a 6 mil plastic and it keep moisture from traveling into your foundation.
     
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    I have a good friend that just had a pole barn built with a slab poured. He found out via Facebook (his good friend was off due to cv-19) pictures that they didn’t even use rebar in his 30x40 shop, and the floor was far from even close to being level.

    He called them out on it. They had to jack hammer out all the concrete and re-pour again. He also paid for 8” concrete for heavy lifts. That contractor didn’t make a whole lot on that job.
     
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