Another Tundra or Jump Ship

You were asking about Tundra's in fleet vehicles - had one guy I worked with that another company he worked at previously used Tundra's as survey vehicles. That's about as abusive as you can get - many companies won't take their trucks past 150k km's because everything starts breaking, doesn't matter which brand. Except the Tundra's. He mentioned how they would just last and last like none of the others. Only issue was the tiny gas tank pre-2016 he said. His experience was the same as mine for my 2010, and that's almost the same as my 2016.

And sure you don't get most of the gadgets on Tundra's that you can get elsewhere - but you do get anything safety related on ALL trims in the Tundra. Go to the big 3 and you have to go to mid level trims to get the new safety features. It's one thing that annoys me to no end with the big 3 - if I want the extra safety features it's either pay 2-3k on top of a $50k trim level or pay $75k before it's included. Go Tundra and the base model has the safety sense features, and go to $45k and I get parking sensors too.

 

I traded my 2016, SR5, DC, 5.7, 4wd with 36K miles yesterday for a new, 2019, Ford, F150, Lariat, 4wd, 5.0, 3.55 locker rear, towing package, leather, built in bed step, voice nav, remote start, heated and cooled seats, etc. I really liked the Tundra, except the brakes which always felt mushy to me no matter what Toyota says, and the trailer brake controller that everyone is aware of. I generally trade every couple years to keep my vehicles under warranty. Since the local Toyota dealer left me hang on the brakes and controller I decided to go back to the F150. I have had everything over the years and firmly believe you can get a good or bad anything. Buying new you are protected by a warranty but no one likes downtime and shop time. My GMs and some Dodges had both. In fairness I had a lot more Dodges than others. Not a Ram fan. The F150s and Toyotas haven't had issues for me. I bought the F150 for the bells and whistles and creature comforts at a better price point on a new truck, but, if I were looking used and longtime ownership I would buy a Tundra in a heartbeat. The Tundra SR5 is a beast, I mean that with all due respect, and the F150 Lariat is a more refined animal. Still tough, I believe, but more of the subtle things that aren't as brash. Keep on trucking guys, I will still look at every Tundra I see along the way..............Tim

 

Jelly. Congrats on your new truck man. Enjoy it. Don’t be a stranger round here, it’s great to have ppl around with diverse views and experience.

 

Agreed!

 

I Valet for a living and have for ten years now so I have driven lots of different brands of trucks new and old. 10-15 years later, no other brands feel as solid or drive as well as Toyotas do. Sure Chevy, GM and Rams are great while they are new but they really do start to feel clunky as they get older. I decided long before purchasing my truck that it would be a Toyota and didn't even look at other brands when it came time to purchase. I plan on owning my truck for a long time and a Toyota was the obvious choice for me.

 

The replacement arrived with 2 miles on the odo today. I installed Husky liners and tonneau today. New tires tomorrow, and will hopefully find time this weekend to install the running boards. Pretty excited about it.

BTW- If anyone is in the market for Go Rhino RB20 running boards, check the Home Depot website by searching the Go Rhino part number in google. They were significantly cheaper than any online store and they shipped to the nearest Home Depot for free.

 

Enough said, 1st and last Ford.


https://www.f150forum.com/f118/17-3-5-ecoboost-rattle-401441/

 

the 5.0 is a different ball of wax vs the ecoboost, it is not an expensive upgrade $800 comes to mind, plus you can add a myriad of other options to an F150 when you buy one, none of the offered on (any) tundra. We could talk about the cam tower leaks on 5.7 too...

 

I still own my 2006 Limited Double Cab and was very close to getting F150 as my second truck



However in the end I went with this 2020 Limited instead


I guess I'm not ready to leave Toyota yet .

 

Should have put one down on the Rivian R1T

 

Nice work.

Just so you don't have buyers remorse

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2019 Toyota Tundra Recalls
There are currently 2 recalls for your vehicle

 

And when you dig into the recalls it becomes even more one sided. Toyota's are for simple sticker clarifications, Ram and Ford are for things like vehicles catching on fire. I personally had an easier time playing roulette when the worst that can happen is an oil leak that is fixed 99% of the time over a vehicle that will cook itself or have a brake pedal fall off.

 

So, you are a valet driver. With all due respect to your profession, but I highly doubt moving around vehicles in a parking lot will allow you to make an assessment about the quality of any vehicle.

I had all the big three brands and a Toyota Tundra (2018) and without a doubt the quality of the interior materials is subpar, the drivetrain is good though.

 

I hear what you are saying, however we do have to park across the street and get vehicles up to speed (50 mph) in order to merge with traffic. So I do get a better idea of how vehicles feel and drive than just driving in a parking lot. Obviously not as in depth as owning the vehicle or driving it long term. I have driven countless fords, Rams, and GMs that have 100k on the odometer and feel clunky and loose. Toyotas always feel solid no matter their age.

 

I can't speak from experience but I would assume that any vehicle with 100K miles is not was it was when new, no matter what the brand. It's really a non-issue for me because I am lucky enough to always drive some new or fairly new. Don't get me wrong, I had my fair share of older vehicles when I was young (wow, that's some time ago) and money was tight.

Like I said, I had a 2018 Tundra Limited, was a nice truck but after while the interior quality really sucked, especially the cheap looking and feeling plastics. Right now I have a low mileage 2017 F-150 Platinum and enjoy all the features and interior quality and ergonomics. I have high hopes for the next generation Tundra and hope they get it right. If they do I either buy a 1794 or a Platinum.

 

This thread went out of control 3 pages ago.

 

Easy fix.....don't read it. Everybody is just having a friendly conversation. Nothing out of control here.

 

Tundra's do drive the same. Went from my 2010 with 175k km's on it, jumped straight into my 2016 with 400 km's on it, and other than the throttle difference they changed in the 2.5 gen they drive and feel the same. It's the same components so it should in theory, and in practice it does.

 

Same since 2007, its time for an update.

 

And for a 12 year old platform it stills holds up incredibly well. The F150 only has an advantage in payload over similar Tundra's because of the aluminum body panels. Get a SuperCrew F150 and it'll only tow ~9000 lbs, same as a Tundra. For fuel Economy real world has most F150's in the 16-17 mpg range, Tundra is 15-16, yet another wash. Price out a similar F150 to a Platinum Tundra, and it's a Lariat edition and those interiors aren't all that different. Sure F150's have the KR, Platinum, and Limited trims, but they cost quite a bit more, so hardly a surprise they're better equipped. And if we get into the huge discounts they provide off MSRP, that just comes straight back at you when trading it in.
If Toyota can get 90% of what is rumoured than it will easily be class leading when comparing apples to apples, something Ford will never do. They just create a RCSB tow monster and advertise like each and every one of their trucks can do it. I have a ton of respect for Toyota - they release safety features onto every trim of truck, and don't do special one off trucks to mislead consumers. I've had fun a couple times with people boasting their loaded F150 can tow 13k lbs, then I have them look at my door sticker and do the math and then do the same with theirs. Suddenly their tow monster is just as average as my 'shitty' Tundra they thought.

 

I don't tow for the most part and if I do it is 6000 LBS at the most, any pick up can do that. Like I said before, if the next Tundra is up to date and has a much better interior I will get a 1794 or Platinum. I am not a fan boy of any brand and did like my Tundra except for the horrible interior and so called premium JBL stereo. Right now the F-150 Platinum is a better truck then the Tundra Platinum....at least for me.

Does it have issues? Yes, just had the entire rear window replaced because the defroster did not work and next Monday the tracks for the pano roof get replaced because they rattle. That's it at 35K miles. By the way the MPGs are about +4 compare to the Tundra, I have the 3.5 EB and 10-speed. That is based on my same driving styles with both trucks. I also know that the MPGs go to hell when towing with my truck.

 

2020 prices for me including fees - Platinum Tundra $65k, Platinum F150 $78K. I hope it's a hell of a lot better truck. If I try to get a F150 Lariat trimmed out the same as a Tundra Platinum it runs me $71k. You've done the exact same thing that all those automotive 'journalists' have done - taken the top trim and compared them without regard to price. When you compare apples to apples the Tundra is very competitive, and it's a 12 year old truck. It does need the revamp that's coming, but just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad.

 

My 2013, 0 visits to the repair shop and I've been out of warranty for 3 years.

 

I wasn't comparing trucks as I know that the F-150 costs more per your example of the F-150 Lariat vs the Tundra Platinum. Let me try to explain my point of view.

The Tundra is a good truck and the engine is great. Unfortunately, as of right now anyway, I am not able to buy a Tundra that feels premium. I don't mind paying the extra money and hope the next Tundra will have better interior materials, a better infotainment system, updated gauge cluster, better switches...just quality components instead of cheap plastic and clunky switch gear. It can't be that hard to do for Toyota. Besides that it needs more gears, electric power steering and an electric fan, leave the engine as is in it's mechanical configuration and add dual injection (port and direct). I bet just those changes will bring the MPGs up by at least 2 or 3 points.

 

this is wrong. I just ordered a 2020 platinum F150 w/ 5.0 last week, and the truck was just under 60k. Anyone saying the Tundra is "competitive" simply has not done their research, doesnt know, and hasnt and driven the competition. If you leave toyota, just pony up for the 8 year ESP lol

I feel like trucks were all kind of the same for a long time back near 2007, but at some point in the last 5 years, the domestic brands leaped ahead at light speed.

 

You do realize my numbers were in Canadian dollars. I've driven too many Ford's for my liking - I'm stuck with them at work, so I know how bad they are. To me the best truck off the lot is a GM with the 6.2, then Ram, Toyota, Ford, and Nissan in that order. The Ram is the only one I don't have decent miles in.

The way they have changed is they are less like trucks now. They've moved to comfort, and with that comes a disconnect to the road. Toyota is still a truck, it feels much more like a HD which in my mind is a much better driving experience. I can trust my Tundra way more than I can trust any other 1/2 ton, that's with the reliability and the road feedback that comes back to the driver. No numbers can tell you that, only driving them - but according to you I haven't done that

 

If your consideration for competitive is how many creature comforts a truck has over the others then cool whatever floats your boat. My definition of competitive for me is how well does it tow? What does it have to improve on that towing like the size of the gas tank etc? The Tundra won for me on the majority of those counts for me when I bought it and for me the Tundra won the competition. The bonus being the Tundra is actually very comfy for me to drive in too.

 

that's one way, but the numbers dont lie either, tundra is dead last in its category. I'm not going to spoon feed you the specs, go see for yourself.
Also, when you order a F150 you can customize it in many ways that Toyota doenst offer.

 

The thing is when I looked at the F150s on paper yes they have higher tow rating and payload numbers however, there is a catch. Open the door of one of those creature comfort trucks and tell me what that sticker says for payload. My SR5 double cab compared to a similar F150 trim truck the payload was only 50 higher. You are right though big advantage for sure. If you compare complete base with complete base models then yes you have a point but we aren't so the point is mute.