ANOTHER Towing Question.

I really think you are missing my point. Over the five years I have followed this forum there are many posts about people with 5th wheels with a pin weight greater than their total payload rating alone. Yes, you found one that could fit within the Tundras specifications. My original comment was just in reference to the egregious situations I have seen posted.

 

The difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton Dodge is one additional spring per leaf pack and different bumps stops, that's it. Everything else is the same.

 

I often wonder about these 3/4 ton diesel guys that put those big ass wheels and skinny all terrain tires on them. If, I got hit for over 160lbs for, what I assume is the 20" wheels and all terrains, then how much capacity does that take off the truck?

Its not that I'm trying to over think it, I just want to do the best thing and the right thing. I don't wanna hurt my family or anyone else. Having said that, I think a 2500 will be the best bet. I don't have to buy one immediately though. For now I'm looking at a 20' enclosed that weighs 2600 empty and that combined with my 2800lb car will be fine. Just gotta strategically load everything. When I start going on these long hauls for big races, I'll make the move to a bigger trailer with a 2500 diesel.

2600lb trailer + 2800lb car = 5400
10% of 5400 = 540 tongue weight.

That'll leave me some leftover for tools, fuel, small generator, etc.

 

Just curious, but do you have any accessories on your Tundra?

I went down and had my truck weighted and subtracted it from the GVWR printed on the door jam. My allowable payload left was under 1,000lbs. Quite a bit different than the printed 1320lbs that's printed on the door. All I have on the truck for accessories is a hard tonneau cover, spray in bed liner, running boards and a LED light bar.

You can see why most people who load their Tundra's are over weight. You can load four grown adults in my truck then add some only 200lbs is the bed and be over payload.

 

My truck is pretty plain jane. Its a SR5 with TSS Off Road Package which is a joke because its 2WD. Its got a spray in bed liner, tonneau cover, 20" wheels, 33" BFG All Terrains, Running Boards. Thats pretty much it. I'm betting your truck is 4WD.

 

Then the question has to be asked. What do the ambulance chasing lawyers bring up when a truck is under weight but has aftermarket wheels and tires that aren't rated for towing? Ya know?

 

in theory, the tires that come on the tundra from toyota should be capable of exceeding weight capacities. Thats for weak P rated tires

 

Yes mine is a SR5 and 4WD. You have close to the same accessories I do. The 4WD doesn't make a difference because its included in the GVWR because it came with the truck. Any accessories that you add after manufacture has to be subtracted from your GVWR. Have your truck weighted, you going to be in for a surprise.

 

My 2wd DC weights 5680 empty. Only addition is running boards and bed mat.

 

I was under the impression that 4WD lessened the total carry capacity as it was an "option".

 

I was thinking I wouldn't pay the extra money for a 3500 over a 2500 if I didn't need the capability but I was also thinking the price difference was larger. Looks like on a GMC it's only about $2k.

 

The GVWR printed on your door jam should be higher than the GVWR printed on my 4WD.

Anything that you add to the truck after manufacture has to be subtracted from the GVWR to get the true payload rating.

 

I misunderstood what you were saying. We are saying the same thing.

 

One thing that makes no sense. Gvwr is higher on a 4wd than a 2wd. Almost as if to compensate for the weight of the front drive gear. Historically, one would expect gvwr to be consistent being as gearing, motor, trans, axle, suspension are all 100% identical

 

Curious, what is your payload ison your 2WD.


Here's mine

 

I don’t see a gvwr in that pic.

I’ve seen the 4wds are 7200 lb and 2wd are 7000 lbs.

 

Opps, meant to say payload. I'll correct it

 

Payload is 1360 not including a penalty of 163 so a total payload capacity of 1197

 

Here's my GVWR. 3220Kg which is 7100lbs.

 

Wow, only 40lbs difference between a 2WD and 4WD. I thought it would be higher.

What's the 163lbs penalty?

 

My GVWR is 7000

 

I assume the 20" wheels and tires. It doesnt say.

 

That's what I'm saying. So a guy goes to a dealership, buys a Ford F-250 brand new, puts the yee yee rims and tires on it, pulls a trailer, gets in a wreck where someone gets hurt. I think he would be liable because of the wheels and tires even tho he isn't over weight.

I guess I just wonder how much these lawyers dig into this. Usually they'll just sue for the max your insurance policy and they wont pursue an individual personally unless they're very well off.

 

He is at fault and liable because he crashed into someone - the wheels and tires don’t matter. Same with being overloaded. Negligence is negligence.

 

Why would a 2WD have a lower GVWR than a 4WD. The trucks have to same frame and suspension minus the front driveshaft, front diff and CV axles. Makes you really wonder how they figure out the GVWR and it's accuracy.

 

I think load definitely has something to do with it. If I were an attorney and a vehicle was overloaded, I would present the case that gross negligence occured before they even took to the road, and that regardless of who did what while driving, the overloaded vehicle could not be safely operated...

for reference my 2wd DC with tow package has a gvwr of 6900 lbs. oddly enough I have an aux trans cooler yet a newer 2wd tundra with the only difference being a lack of a cooler has a gvwr of 7000lb. Makes no sense.

my truck came with 18 inch alloy rims, sticker says reduce 43lbs of payload. Only option is jbl sound system.