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About to be New Tundra Owner

Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by pasotundraltd, Sep 10, 2015.

  1. Sep 10, 2015 at 8:18 PM
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    pasotundraltd

    pasotundraltd [OP] New Member

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    I've been running Tacoma's for years which are great trucks but lack horse power and are kind of pigs:turtleride: especially running 33's or 35's. I have a nice mid travel exposition Tacoma 4x4 that is great for tight narrow trails, a little rock crawling, and playing in the dessert and dunes. I decided if I was going to spend the time and money on building a nice dessert racer long travel truck, it needs to have plenty of balls...My interest is in building a sick long travel tundra double cab 4x4.

    I am thinking 2010 to 2014 and the 5.7 Liter is a must have, I want 4 wheel drive, and am really attracted to the TRD supercharger giving the Tundra over 500 HP...

    I am open to advise and education, is there anything on any of these years I should put on my must have list or my avoid list....

    Thanks,
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  2. Sep 10, 2015 at 8:42 PM
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    Welcome!
    2014 is a new interior, and body design.
    SC's have been discontinued, so if you want one and can get one- get it. You can still SC flex fuels with the piggyback system.
     
  3. Sep 10, 2015 at 9:37 PM
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    Welcome from CO. Former 09 Taco owner too.
     
  4. Sep 10, 2015 at 10:11 PM
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    That sucks, one just slipped through my fingers, dealer was a 4.5 hour drive away and I could not make till Saturday, they sold it today...:(:annoyed:
     
  5. Sep 11, 2015 at 7:18 AM
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    Welcome! What year is your Tacoma? Really want a Toy crawler again. Someday i will.

    Go for the 2014+ if you can afford it. Newer interior is nice. Body style is nice as well.
    Everything else is the same though so if you step it down to the 2nd Gen no worries.
    Newest and lowest miles is best bet.
    Definitely 5.7L

    Go for non-flex fuel. Will be cheaper to supercharge. Act quick to get a SC on as they are running out.
     
  6. Sep 13, 2015 at 4:11 AM
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  7. Sep 13, 2015 at 4:57 AM
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    Welcome to the forum. Yes, if you see a SC, grab it. They are going very fast. There are guys who bought SCs even before they bought their trucks.
     
  8. Sep 13, 2015 at 5:22 AM
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  9. Sep 15, 2015 at 7:07 PM
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    pasotundraltd [OP] New Member

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    That's exactly what I'm thinking of doing...And I'm really leaning towards a 2014 or 15 because the interior is just sweet and I'll have this truck forever...
    Does anybody think the supercharger will be too much on a long travel set up in the sand and dessert? meaning tires just getting buried too easily? Also thinking about all the long travel parts that I could purchase in place of the supercharger... I can't afford to long travel overnight, this will be a save up and get this, than save up and get that kind of a build.
     
  10. Sep 15, 2015 at 7:13 PM
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    I think @jberry813 is pretty familiar on LT setups and other areas...maybe he can chime in.
     
  11. Sep 15, 2015 at 7:54 PM
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    That I am.

    OP...are you a fabricator by trade or hobby? Do you have a welder and a tube bender and are you proficient in usage? If you answered no to either one of these...how deep are you pockets? Unless you've got 30+ grand laying around, 2nd-3rd gen tundras are frankly a terrible idea to LT, especially if you've never owned a LT vehicle before. Some first thoughts

    • There are a few companies that make off the shelf bolt on LT kits for the tundra. My personal favorite is the TC kit which is a +2.5" per side kit that will pull about 16" of travel while maintaining 4x4. As everybody knows...tundra is not a light truck. Running a 2.5" shock body coilover alone means heavy valving. And by heavy...I mean heavy. 10 minutes into any session and the shocks will be too hot to touch. Meaning plan on at least a 2.5" bypass, preferably a 3". Hell I can cook an egg on my first gen tacoma front shocks and those are 2.5" coils and bypasses. They get so hot that I have to rebuild them annually. Not to mention...toyotas are not known for component strength. Plan on spindle gussets, cam tab gussets, frame plates, secondary shock hoops, at the very minimum a coil bucket crossover tube engine cage to prevent the frame from cavitating. Oh and unless you want to continue the tundra twerk...fully plated rear frame with new tube crossmembers.
    • Leaf springs suck. Take it from a guy that owns a supercharged 5.7, you will never get leafs to keep up with a bone stock 5.7, let alone a supercharged 5.7. Not to mention, if you've gone ahead and went with a TC front kit, you need the rear to outperform the front by roughly 20-25% in terms of travel otherwise hold onto your cowboy hat...be ready for buck buck buck. Having a front that outperforms the front just means you will never run the truck to it's potential. And unless you've got wicked discipline, overdriving the truck is very common which leads to very broken shit. Ask me how I know. There's no 62 or 64 inch leaf SUA pack that can pull those types of numbers. Which means your only options are links. Links...are not bolt in. It's not something you can just pick up off a shelf and slap onto your truck. Link length, link placement, anti squat, anti dive, sway bar design, rear steer, all need to be taken into account...or you may as well have not started the project in the first place.
    • 5.7 v8 means...speed. Links and anything over 80 mph...you just might have a deathwish unless you run a cab cage. That much horsepower, that much speed, and that much weight...say goodnight the first time a dirt bike jumps out in front of you out in Barstow. No less...given the weight of a tundra, to be SCORE tagged (if you decide you want to start racing), you'd have to run 2" main tubes for the cage...minimum. Not to mention adding in a supercharger puts you in open class which means you're going to be up against the baddest fucking trucks on the planet. Even if you don't want to race, that much travel and horsepower in a LT dirt truck is asking for trouble without a cage.
    Not trying to detract you from your decision, but the 2nd/3rd gen tundra is a huge fucking truck to LT. Huge trucks come with huge price tags when it comes to building a prerunner. It's not just some simple bolt on hack job. And expect a very large annual maintenance bill as well. Race car parts cost race car money. And factor in break/fix bullshit (you will break things...not "if" you break things).
     
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  12. Sep 15, 2015 at 8:08 PM
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    pasotundraltd [OP] New Member

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  13. Sep 15, 2015 at 8:28 PM
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    As an alternative...OP, don't be scared to look into a MT setup on the new Tundra. It's by no means equivalent to what you were used to with a Tacoma. In fact, a MT tundra is closer to a LT taco. Shock ratio is FAR better compared to a taco. Bolt in coilovers are almost a 7" stroke shock and utilize a 16" coil. Again, basically what a LT tacoma uses.

    I'm cycling over 13" with my Kings up front paired with TC stock length UCAs and retaining factory everything else including 4wd. The bolt in rear stuff leaves a little bit to be desired. I had to play with the valving to get it to live up to my expectations, but by no means does it suck. The MT definitely helps keep you driving within your means with a big truck with lots of balls at a significantly smaller dent on the wallet. And...it still handles business. Just ask @Relentless. :D
     
  14. Sep 15, 2015 at 8:33 PM
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    That's one helluva an explanation.
     
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  15. Sep 15, 2015 at 8:36 PM
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    That's only what I felt like typing. I could talk for hours about it over beers.
     
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  16. Sep 15, 2015 at 9:11 PM
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    Thanks Jberry for your time and advise, it is greatly appreciated!!!! This is exactly the information I need. You have talked me out of the supercharger, but not the LT Tundra, which is great, it allows more $ to go into the LT build sooner.

    For this long travel I'm hoping for about a 5 year process, and no I have no intention of racing. I just want to have a little more fun that I can in my mid travel Tacoma in the dessert and dunes. I don't want to spend the $ on a Tacoma LT and always what more power, plus the diff's can't handle it. I know a guy that's on his 4th differential...(he does play kind of hard though)

    I was planning on running the TC long travel kit with secondary shock hoops, spindle gussets and lca tab gussets. I have 2.5 Kings with reservoirs on my Tacoma, I was planning on going with 3.0 reservoirs, and 3.0 bypasses on this Tundra. I am planning on caging, I know I will need to in order to mount and support the rear suspension, frame, and cab.

    I need more expert advise on the rear end. I have seen some peoples links but need more education in that department. Can you point me in a direction for the rear, I've read way too many stories about people that did not get it right. Hence why I'm reading everything I can on these forums and learning as much as I can. I need to get down and see what Dirt Designs is doing too, they play pretty hard in Pismo

    Thanks again!
     
  17. Sep 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM
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    I'll supply the beer!
     
  18. Sep 15, 2015 at 9:49 PM
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    I missed this post, What are you running in the rear? Any pictures?
     
  19. Sep 16, 2015 at 7:49 AM
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    Yeah for being MT his tundra gets it! There were a few g-out dips on a dirt road we were bombing down that I thought was going to be a pretty hard hit at 55mph but it didnt even bottom... then the way back at dusk topping about 80-85 I was really holding on. LOL. Even still the few dips we did come across at around 60 very lightly(if at all) bottomed the front and just a light bottom of the rear. I was impressed to say the least. A stock suspended truck(or lesser quality lifted setup) would have bottomed in the same spots by 30-35mph, this I know from experience with my TRD suspension on my '14.
     
  20. Sep 16, 2015 at 9:18 AM
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    I'll be honest with you Ryan. I've spent more time than I care to admit on links. And its way more than I'm going to type out and give away. My suggestion to you is to stick to google, dezertrangers, rdz, and pirate. None of the mainstream forums are worth shit beyond bolt on...despite the fact there's a whole world beyond bolt on!
    I'm not sure what body you are planning on getting, but the crewmax is going to be real difficult on shock placement because the rear of the cab is so fucking huge. You'll be able to run longer links and a better shock ratio if you went with the double cab. Not to mention, you need to plan on a fuel cell (assuming you will be doing a 4 link or triangulated 3 link), which is going to take away that much more of the bed space.

    Bolt in OE Kings and TC 3/4" shackles:

    [​IMG]

    :burnrubber:
     
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    Well that escalated quickly... Jason was bored, or his shit wasn't coming out quickly....
     
  22. Sep 16, 2015 at 2:23 PM
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    Nooooooo. It's never "Jason's a nice guy," or "Jason's awesome for sharing experience." No. Instead it's a "he's got a slow shit so why not." :luvya: :brianr:


    Damnit!!!
    @Bob...where are my favorite smileys?!?!
     
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    We all know you are a nice guy! Sometimes you get your. Estimates work done on the shitter, all I'm saying hahah
     
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    Thanks for the advise, just found all 3 and yes it's definitely going to be a double cab, to me the crew max looks like a mini van with a tiny truck bed attached. I'm not a fan of the double cabs Tacoma's either, same reason.

    You have me thinking about both long and mid travel, but I need to do more research. The last thing I want to do is spend the $ on mid travel and wish I had a long travel...
     
  25. Sep 16, 2015 at 7:29 PM
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    Any thoughts on the 61.5" deavers? I know it's no link, but with the right shocks and bumps stops? It would be an improvement to running mid travel no? Again I'm not to launch the truck 10' in the air... Again that's for letting me pick your brain!
     
  26. Sep 16, 2015 at 7:41 PM
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  27. Sep 16, 2015 at 7:53 PM
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    :crapstorm:
     
  28. Sep 16, 2015 at 8:30 PM
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    I have lots of thoughts about 61.5" Deavers. I went through 2 different sets of 61.5" Deavers on my piece of shit first gen Tacoma. 2 sets in 2 years. And then an AP 50T pack. Literally 3 leaf packs in less than 4 years. On a 4880 pound access cab Tacoma.

    It's not about launching the truck in the air. It's a common TW misconception. Yes I can make my truck fly, but that was never the reason I broke my truck. I said it before, I'll say it again. You will never get a leaf pack to keep up with the power that a 5.7 Toyota can put down. You can reword it however you want. And there's now amount of wordsmithing you can do that will change my mind. If I can't get a 1st gen taco to keep up with leaf springs...how would you expect a 3rd gen tundra to keep up.
     
  29. Sep 16, 2015 at 8:53 PM
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    I hear you, loud and clear, next puzzle to solve for me is links, how are your stock leafs holding up with your MT Tundra?
     
  30. Sep 16, 2015 at 9:32 PM
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    Well on my way to the grocery store they are sick as fuck! They handle the speed bumps like a boss....
    They get the job done. It's not some massive eye opening experience, but it works. Let's just say...if my tundra's main intention wasn't to tow my other shit...I would have a new leaf pack.
     
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