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4th Generation Tundra Redesign

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by The New Guy, Apr 7, 2017.

  1. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:07 AM
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    The New Guy

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    Hi guys, I'm new here so I don't really know what I'm doing but I have a question.
    I have spent quite a few hours the past two years researching the supposedly upcoming diesel
    Tundra. No one, I mean no body seem to know what their talking about, or even if there is ever
    going to be a diesel engined Tundra. Plus most of the sites look like they were translated from chinese by a third grader. Its frustrating. Is Toyota really that tight lipped? Or what's the deal?
     
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  2. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:20 AM
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    040Tundra

    040Tundra Teddy 2013-2019

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    A little of this and a little of that.
    Not to avoid your question but welcome from Las Vegas brutha! Someone will chime in. Probably @ColoradoTJ and I bet the answer is "there are no plans at this time for a diesel Tundra."
     
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  3. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:26 AM
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    I'd bet on a hybrid truck before a diesel in the U.S. Especially in the Tundra.
     
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  4. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:28 AM
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    NewImprovedRon Hey! Get off my grass!

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    Wouldn't hold my breath on the diesel....been hearing that a diesel is coming for a long time now.
     
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  5. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:41 AM
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    And yes Toyota is that tight lipped about their upcoming products. No one had a clue what the new Tacoma was going to be like until they announced it at the auto shows. There will be no leaks until they are ready to announce it.
     
  6. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:45 AM
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    Yea I Figured. No one suspected the early drivetrain upgrade on the '17 sienna.
     
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    The Toyota diesel is on the back burner.

    I heard that a Toyota 5.0 is in the works . It is much stronger then the old 5.7 engine more powerful. And 8 or 10 speed transmission.
     
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    Toyota is not the US government. There are no leaks.
     
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  10. Apr 7, 2017 at 8:53 AM
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    I read that the 5.7 liter currently used is old technology for Toyota but that Dodge's equivalent was much longer in coming. Toyota supposedly designed this engine 8 years before competitors came out with any thing like it. If that's the case, Toyotas had plenty of time to engineer something ground breaking again, it seems.
     
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  11. Apr 7, 2017 at 9:37 AM
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    Law323 it’s only weird if you make it weird

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    But why improve on something that isn't broken and known for reliability. I'd much rather wait a few more years on thorough R&D than slap on the newest and shiniest toys that end up breaking before 20K miles
    You can book it, the next upgrade (drivetrain, engine, etc) will be ahead of its time! (at least that's what i'm hoping.)

    And on the diesel tundra......:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:
     
  12. Apr 7, 2017 at 9:44 AM
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    I'd bet on port/direct injection tech a la Tacoma on the engine with the same 8 speed tranny that is on the Land Cruiser.
    I wouldn't count on the diesel. This is all just guesses, but the long rumored 5 liter diesel that is currently in the Titan XD has had horrible fuel economy ratings. Not many people would want to spend the thousands of extra $ for an engine that gets worse fuel economy than the current 5.7.
     
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  14. Apr 7, 2017 at 6:43 PM
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    Wouldn't want a stupid diesel anyhow
     
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  15. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:49 PM
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    AnonVet That's what she said!

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    I refuse to talk new gen until I see pics of a diesel
     
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  16. Apr 7, 2017 at 7:59 PM
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  17. Apr 8, 2017 at 3:28 AM
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    ColoradoTJ So there I was.... Staff Member

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    Well let us both look into this for a bit, and maybe you might buy a Tundra or buy something else. (not sure if you own one already)

    First and foremost, what is the reasoning you want a diesel powered Tundra? Most want better fuel economy, towing power, etc.

    So what do we have for options? Ram makes a CRD 1500. They get killer fuel economy when not at the dealership. Get on some of those diesel 1500 boards. That is usually a good time and amusement. Tow ratings are not all that impressive, and the capacity is pretty sickening. Well that is about it. Looks like Ford is coming out with a F-150 diesel, but not yet. GM only has 1/4 ton trucks with diesels.

    So we can look at the Nissan Titan XD with the Cummins 5.0 V8 diesel. Numbers might sound good at 310 HP and 555 pound feet of torque with the current setup in the Tundra being 381/401. So you would think this Titan would kill the Tundra, and it might. I haven't seen any tow tests with the same weight except for the Titan XD diesel vs Gas tow test....which the gas motor out towed the diesel (pretty sad). So what is the issue with the Titan? Well, the Tundra is around 5600-5800 lbs where the Titan is 7400 lbs. That damn truck is heavy with low HP/TQ numbers. Now if the XD came with around 400 HP and 650-720 TQ, they would have a killer truck with some good ratings. Unfortunately they do not. These XD's totally missed the bar without adding exhaust/grade braking. So going down passes would suck more than its gas counterpart. Now for all this, you get to pay a premium price for lacking performance...

    Just to show how pathetic this is, you might see I own a GMC 3500 Diesel, and no longer own a Tundra, but recommend them often to people that want an awesome "do all" truck in the half ton segment. My truck is at 6800 lbs, 397 hp/765 TQ, the Allison 1000 that needs no introduction and performs better than anything I have ever towed with, and a great exhaust brake. So this truck is lighter, has better capacity by far, more power/TQ, great grade braking, one of the most comfy interiors I have been in, for about 2000.00 more than this 1/2 ton Titan XD truck, and I am comparing the price to my 1 ton. A 3/4 ton can be had for a bit less and cheaper than the Titan XD.

    So you have to ask yourself, why wouldn't I just buy a 3/4-1 ton truck and skip this BS? So that covers the Towing part.

    Fuel mileage. So I have to be honest, I haven't really even broke mine in yet (4600 miles) and only had one tank that no work was done, but 4x4 was used for 15 miles or so (the locker rarely makes me need 4x4 in snow), and for 175 miles was in a National Park in the mountains at low speeds. That tank empty was 17.5 mpg. Not great, but if it was a constant highway driving I'm sure we would have broke into the 20's. While towing, I have been down to 11 mpg and a best of 14 mpg. Not awesome, but better than my Tundra...but not by much. Remember that.....

    In closing, if you want a diesel, go out and get one. They are on the market today, just do your research and actually need it. A diesel is awesome, but it does come with some good downsides as well. However, you want a damn good truck, mod friendly (full exhaust has been getting 40+hp and 85 tq, the Supercharger is an option as well), that you can use every day, the Tundra is for you.
     
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  19. Apr 8, 2017 at 1:13 PM
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    Hey thanks for the info guys, especially ColoradoTJ. I don't need truck yet, but in a few years I will. I'm a big fan of Toyota's reliability and of their solid, well built vehicles. The new Chevrolet 3500HD's are awsome to. I know also wanted to hear opinions of people who know a lot more than I do. Any comments or a suggest of a thread are welcome.
     
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