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4th Gen Tundra Hmm Hmm

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by 7.62Tundra, Dec 18, 2019.

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  1. Dec 28, 2019 at 2:45 PM
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    Fuel economy. V8's have basically been maxed out. Toyota doesn't have the demand Ford and GM do and be able to make 2 (more if you count HD engines) top line engines for pickups. They need to go all in with one engine, and the future is electric or hybrid. Toyota as a whole is all in on hybrids so that's why it's not much of a leap to say that's where they're going.

    They absolutely should put the 5.7 in again (or a Lexus V8) if it'll fit in the new generation, but if that's not possible I see no reason they should develop an all new V8 if that's what they need to do to fit the chassis.
     
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    RLHULK Too many gamma rays in all that BBQ smoke.

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    I have said that about Toyota and lexus. Lexus already does turbo and does them well, so it would be a natural move to bring that tech over to the Toyota line up, proven and reliable from the gate.
     
  3. Dec 28, 2019 at 7:12 PM
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    They will never do that. Toyota/Lexus is very good at making one thing and with economies of scale they can great production value out of that and increase their profit margin. Look at their famous 3.5 v6. It’s in the their Tacoma, Camry, Avalon, sienna, Lexus ES, Lexus GS, Lexus RX, Lexus IS. Makes it’s easy to build and make it solid across multiple platforms. Make one solid thing and make it really good. Versus other manufacturers make multiple engines, for several vehicles, then if doesn’t work they move on and owners are stuck with a bad engine.
     
  4. Dec 29, 2019 at 5:19 AM
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    Well, it's been said "change is inevitable, except from vending machines". This would certainly be a drastic, series altering change for NASCAR. I guess we wait and see. I'll still keep my fingers crossed that Toyota doesn't abandon the V8.
     
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    is Toyota willing to lose customers to the big 3 and Nissan who still offer V8s with decent fuel economy aswell?
     
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    Doesn't seem like they would. Anyone wanting a half ton and unwilling to buy a V6 turbo would be forced to another manufacturer. This reason alone is why I suspect the V8 will stick around. Though others here seem to strongly disagree.
     
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    No more V8 as of 2020 for Toyota.
     
  8. Dec 29, 2019 at 6:07 AM
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    2020s come with a V8.
     
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    We live in 2019.
     
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    My 2020 is being built in January 2020..... with a V8
     
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    I just hit 6,000 miles on my 5.7. Hopefully that will give me plenty of time to sit back and see how this new tundra circus pans out.
     
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    You got about another 994,000 miles to think about it....
     
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    The decent fuel economy bar is about to get moved. Right now many are bashing the Tundra for being 2-3 MPG behind - how about when the Tundra gets 25+ MPG for it's big, more powerful engine. Suddenly 20 MPG won't be decent. A Tundra with 30 MPG would gain more buyers than it would lose by not having a V8. If Toyota can shoehorn the 5.7 into the new generation then they should, why not keep it since it wouldn't be any new R&D or new manufacturing costs, but if it doesn't fit then I see no reason to spend any money on a new V8.
     
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    Well I have no idea what you are taking about. 2020 Tundras come with V8s. Doesn’t matter when we live, 2020 comes with a V8. So “No more V8 as of 2020 for Toyota.” is not accurate.

    https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/tundra/
     
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  17. Dec 29, 2019 at 12:55 PM
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    lol that dude is high.
     
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    When will then be now?
     
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    Fall of 2020. Not truck year .
     
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    I bet they copycat Ford's engine line up, minus a base v6. A small v6 twin turbo, a bigger HiPo v6 twin turbo, and a v8 with inferior performance to the bigger 6 that pleases the purists, like the 5.0 v8 Ford has, perhaps with system similar to E-torque Ram offers as standard. Naturally THERE WILL BE AN ALL ELECTRIC TRIM LEVEL AT SOME POINT, and the new Tundra will be designed with that in mind, more likely than not.
     
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    They don't need to copy cat Ford. They have the engine on a Lexus sedan already.
     
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    Do you think they will keep the Tundra a niche truck with few engine options, or go all out to compete with the big 2 and Fiat, and offer more powertrains? Ram's (former laughing stock of the pick up world Ram)recent big market share increase over GM must have made Toyota take pause and see the possibilities of a well designed product marketed properly. Since Ram is not #1, Ford would seem to be the obvious target of emulation for sales tactics.


    Also, now seeing the Tesla Cyber truck rated as a 3/4 ton truck, would Toyota use an electric drive train to turn a gas powered 1/2 ton Tundra into a 3/4 ton HD? With this idea, Gas models would be half tons, and electric ones rated higher as step into the HD truck market for Toyota. Maybe that model can be called the "Timberland". Goes with the "t" theme of Toyota Truck names.
     
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    I don't know about all of that, but I do know that Toyota shoots for reliability and emissions first. We'll see.
     
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    A boy can dream, dammit. More likely we probably have 15 years of a 2.2 twin turbo hybrid powering all Toyota Trucks ahead of us, lol. Rated to tow 16k and gets 45 mpg city.
     
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    I know a while back Toyota pledged to get rid of gasoline engines by 2025.
     
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    clearly the world is run by idiots who don't go anywhere.[not a shot at the poster] Plug-in hybrids are one thing. Full electric is something else. Aside from the weight of caustic chemicals mined by child slave labour in the third world (air-reactive at that), you have the problem of charging on the road. I'm not waiting an hour to charge batteries when I'm driving across the continent.
     
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    If you drive more than 300 miles a day, electric may not be for you. If I need to go that farther than that, I personally rent something. For 99% of most normal people, electric is quickly becoming viable. You see a lot of EVs around Denver, as they do not suffer from altitude, and most ski resorts are within range. They also are very very quick.
    While It is funny watching people struggle to keep up with modern tech, I feel explaining the new ways ( even poorly) is a better approach than mocking those who are not up to what a Tesla can do or a smartphone is.
    To be blunt, GM and Ford have fully electric pick up trucks launching very, very soon. Already developed, and they are just putting on the finishing touches. I highly doubt Toyota will spend billions or whatever making a platform for a new Tundra, and right off the bat have it as obsolete as the current one, when VW, Mercedes, BMW, Hyundai, GM, and Ford are ALL going electric with EVs across their upcoming, already determined line up. Wake up Dadio, it is the FUTURE, HERE AND NOW(In just a moment, actually)!!! :cool:
     
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    Just because they are developing electric trucks doesn't mean it's a good idea. That's the fad right now. Batteries simply push the carbon footprint farther away from the western consumer and therefore it is deemed safer. There are a limited number of resources for batteries components like lithium and cobalt. There is still heavy metal exposure (among other things) to those that make cells. This change isn't for free.

    Energy density still pales in comparison to long chain hydro-carbons. We also have the issue of recycling li-ion cells. It's only ~3% of all cells that are recycled. Many used to be burned - not exactly safe (full disclosure not sure if that still happens). Gas isn't going away; even Toyota admits this. Battery powered cars are still a small percentage of cars sold, even for Toyota. The size of the US puts us decades away from fully autonomous cars, something that is closely tied to electric cars. I don't think batteries truly take off until either there is a next generation change in energy density (maybe lithium metal) or recycling grows and improves. In the meantime we should be working on carbon capture devices. There seems to be promise there.

    To be clear I'm not anti-battery. I've spent most of my career around batteries. They currently have limitations that can't be ignored though.
     
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    Electric cars are frauds. The energy to mine the hundreds of pounds of chemicals outweighs the benefits. Add to that any area using coal-fired generators and you loose even more of the 'benefit'. A plug-in hybrid at least has a gas engine backup. You don't need to drive 300 miles EVERY day for it to loose its appeal. Honestly, these are toys for privileged people as second vehicles subsidized by everyone else. It's going to be a long time before the tech makes sense. If ever. Until then it's for the posers and the gullible.
     
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