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4 Inch Lift vs. 3/1 Level

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Tiger Tundra, Mar 13, 2016.

  1. Mar 13, 2016 at 7:03 AM
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    Tiger Tundra

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    Hello all,

    I'm trying to work ahead on some suspension and tire upgrades. My truck only has 15k miles on the stock tires but I'm trying to research ahead of time so that I will be ready when the time comes to change tires. What I'm looking for is three things:
    1. Slight lift
    2. Level
    3. Tires that will fill the well and sit flush with or just outside of fender flares.

    I've got a 2015 TSS off road 4x4 and would like to keep the 20 in wheels that came on it if possible. What would be the best route to achieve above goals?
     
  2. Mar 13, 2016 at 1:21 PM
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    I can't speak to the question of "best" as I've only tried one setup. I have the 3/1 Rough Country spacer kit (with Diff Drop). Shoes are 285/65 R20 KO2's. I'm mostly happy with this setup, but I'm thinking of putting a stiffer sway-bar on the front from a Sequoia and a TRD rear sway bar. I have more body roll than I would like.

    General consensus seems to be to stay away from spacer lifts if you are going over 3" and/or you intend to do any moderate to serious off-roading.
     
  3. Mar 13, 2016 at 1:49 PM
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    There have been several reports of failure of front struts due to leveling spacers (some of these were from simply going over a pot hole). Then again, there are some members who have been using spacers for years without an issue. General consensus. however, seems to be that spacers make the truck less capable (on and off road) than stock. (People get them for looks)

    If you want to use stock wheels and have the tires to poke out beyond fender flares (I am assuming pocket style ones), you will need some wheel spacers. If you make them poke out too much, you will have rubbing problems (which limits the size of the tires you could install), unless you are willing do some serious cutting.
     
  4. Mar 13, 2016 at 3:40 PM
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    For lift I highly recommend going with a new coilover lift. This can be achieved with a Bilstein 5100 front shock that has set adjustments to give lift. This will level the truck ~2" up front.
    Or go with a fully adjustable coilover like the Toytec Ultimate or Boss kit for a 3" front and 1" rear lift. I run the Ultimate kit and like it a lot. No issues.

    Your wheels have +60 offset. You need to be around +20 to get to flush with the fender with 11.5-12.5" wide tires. For this you will need 1.25" wheel spacers. Spidertrax and Bora are the top brands. I run Spidertrax without issues.
     
  5. Aug 27, 2019 at 6:44 AM
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    Thanks guys that was really helpful! I have the same goal to keep stock wheels but gain a slight lift.

    If I do the 3&1 , do I need to make any adjustments such as the shocks or just add 3&1 then I’m done?
     
  6. Aug 27, 2019 at 12:14 PM
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    You would need spacers or new coilovers in the front to achieve that. Then either an add a leaf, shackles or block in back.
     
  7. Aug 27, 2019 at 1:18 PM
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    4 inch and cut the cross member..all these guys pushing the 3/1 will be replacing cv joints and Steering stabilizers in 80k...
     
  8. Aug 27, 2019 at 1:30 PM
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    How do you figure? Mine were fine on my other truck with a diff drop.
     
  9. Aug 27, 2019 at 1:56 PM
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    Revive this threadddd, I am trying to research options for 4" lifts. I'm currently 5100's up front with top settings, but I feel like I want 4" & 35's....
     
  10. Aug 27, 2019 at 2:34 PM
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    Hmmm thats a bunch of BS. Lets see-
    07 bilstein 3/1 with 146k, no issues
    14 3/1 spacer lift for 70k, no issues
    14 3/1 icon coilovers- 27k, no issues
    16 3/1 icon coilovers- 95k no issues

    All of these were beat on off road and towed with daily
     
  11. Aug 27, 2019 at 2:47 PM
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    You can fit 35s on stock suspension with the right amount of trimming and wheel offset. Most likely you’ll need a body mount chop and remove the mudflaps as well as pushing in the wheel well liner in front.
     
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  12. Aug 27, 2019 at 4:50 PM
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    It's not so much solely the 35s I'm after, but rather the stance of say a 4/2 on 35s, along with some better suspension than my current 5100s
     
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  13. Sep 4, 2019 at 7:54 AM
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    bump....Does anybody know of any quality 4" kits??
     
  14. Sep 4, 2019 at 9:27 AM
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  15. Sep 4, 2019 at 9:36 AM
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    Fabtec has a 4" kit, with different options
     
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    I did some looking, and it looks like the OME with 612 has an estimated lift height of 60mm, which is about 2.5". Not sure how I'd get to 4" from there, as I already am at 2.5" up front.

    It looks like the fabtech is a spindle lift, which I don't know a whole lot about. The price point of their kits are appealing, however I worry that I might be happier spending a little bit more money for some higher-end parts. I'm not sure I can get to 4" without a spindle lift though?
     
  17. Sep 4, 2019 at 10:05 AM
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    I got at least 3 inches on the set I put on my truck
    It’s more than I was expected

    554F17B6-E455-40BB-9283-E0A423204C5E.jpg 5D1DBF7C-D85C-40BD-88B0-553D411F7BFD.jpg
     
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    If you’re gonna use and abuse I second old man emu, new rear leafs also get you load bearing help if you’re using your truck. If you’re just looking for looks leave it stock.
    I’m stock and accomplish a lot of truck activities, this thing is robust as is. It really depends on why you’re lifting your vehicle.
    With the ome I think people are going 34x11 in a metric size without bmc, but keeping an eye on wheel offset and AT not MT tires.
    Here’s the tire size calculator for your obsessive pleasure. Also keep in mind the availability of your size, just in case, and if you can fit a full size spare in the oem location.
     
  19. Sep 4, 2019 at 10:10 AM
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    RLHOK, looks sick! What size tires are those? Wheels and offset?
     
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    Looks like we are on the same page lol
     
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    Nice looking truck indeed.

    I'm currently running Bilstein 5100's on the top setting up front. Ultimately, it's kind of a mixed bag of performance and looks. I ride dirt bikes, so sometimes getting to the trail the truck takes a decent beating, and we've also got some dunes out here that I wouldn't mind exploring in the truck. However, I don't know how realistic I'm being with the amount of off-roading I tell myself I'll do, especially in my very first new $40k truck..
     
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    The wheels are the TSS 20 inch. I think the offset is +50 not 100% sure. Tires are 275/55/R20.
     
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    Here’s another shot

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    Same here. I'm going to look for 6112s assembled for a good price around the holidays. Although Darren at Boss 4x4 has them for $729 right now..Hmmmmmm
     
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    how is the ride with your old man emu? what size tires?
     
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    Rides great, highway is very smooth and takes dips, bumps and what nots with ease. Seriously very satisfied. Tires are what comes on a TSS package 275/55/R20.
     
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