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3rd Gen Suspension Lift - MEGA THREAD

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by KroppDuster, Jun 10, 2022.

  1. Jan 23, 2023 at 9:12 PM
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    Yeah, just talked to icon tech support today and they mentioned that. So that means one doesn't need to replace uca's if you only want to go up a few inches. I also asked Icon about the Hybrid note, and was told there would just be a reduced lift height one would get due to the added weight of the hybrid system, but otherwise the lift kits are fine with the hybrids. I'm relatively close to icon, wonder what they charge for install. I'd probably do a stage 9 they had one in stock.
     
  2. Jan 24, 2023 at 10:23 AM
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    Has anyone on here updated your UCA when installing a Westcott lift on an AVS/Air Ride equipped truck? Ive read that its right at the top of OEM travel? It may be overkill for someone that does very little to no off-roading. I truly just want to actually upgrade my suspension to a small 2in. lift via ICON or the like... but unfortunately those of us with AVS/Rear Air Ride are limited in our options as very little is available to us. So I'm leaning towards Westcott as the lesser of evils. Id just like to do what I can to make it as quality a ride as possible. Maybe its totally fine since I see a gazillion of Westcott lifts on here... Anyone out there have any thoughts or suggestions? Im kinda tapped out in my searches for options at this point so I might end up biting the bullet and purchasing the Westcott AVS lift.
     
  3. Jan 24, 2023 at 10:55 AM
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    Is the air ride suspension up front as well? I thought it was the same coils up front and the air ride was only in the rear. Just curious. It impacts my reco. :)
     
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  4. Jan 24, 2023 at 11:06 AM
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    There's the air ride and then there is air ride with AVS... The AVS has a wire that drops down the top of coil over and in to the shock for tuning suspension. Comfort, Comfort+, etc....
     
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  5. Jan 24, 2023 at 11:07 AM
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    Nope... the air ride is only in the rear but the AVS system is plugged in front ... on the Westcott and some ring spacer level pucks the AVS still works because it just stays plugged ... but any Front strut or coilover lift (currently) means leaving the AVS unplugged (which is plausible- and doesn't really effect anything other than not being able to use it) ARGH ...lol... :( Thanks for the RECO KROP :)
     
  6. Jan 24, 2023 at 11:09 AM
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    Correct. This is a Platinum that has the rear air WITH the AVS system.
     
  7. Jan 24, 2023 at 12:16 PM
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    Do we know if the AVS system is like the old X-REAS system on 5th Gen 4runners (Limited & Platinums)? Is it air or hydraulic?

    If it's like the X-REAS system that hydraulically changed the dampening at all 4 corners by moving hydraulic fluid around, then I don't know of any suspension lift that was straight compatible with that system. You either did a pre-load and/or spacer...or just deleted the system entirely to change to a true suspension lift from King/Elka/Icon/Fox/Eibach, etc.

    I can see why the aftermarket struggles with this because you can't keep the factory variable system in that scenario. If it's like X-REAS, at some point, you'll have to choose.

    I'm not up on the AVS system so someone else might have to chime in.
     
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  8. Jan 24, 2023 at 12:28 PM
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    Yep —I think you just hit this right on the nose. I feel like our options are Westcott or a similar preload or spacer lift.... or we disconnect and do a whole new system like King/Elka/Icon/Fox/Eibach ... which for some of us is very daunting.... especially when im not talking Baja here :) But I want to lift my vehicle the right way/ safely and with as little ride change as possible.... this is basically why all AVS enabled Air ride folks are pulling their hair out just trying to get an extra 2 inches of lift ..... sigh
     
  9. Jan 24, 2023 at 1:22 PM
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  10. Jan 25, 2023 at 1:20 PM
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    Can someone explain WHEN you need to get the longer front axles? I'm asking because I have a non TRD SR5. It had the black Hitachi shocks on the front. I did a 2" coilover for a front lift. I talked with the guy who did the install, he didn't see any reason why I would need longer axles. But then I see folks here talking about having the TRD sport and needing longer axles to do the lift. So I'm concerned... Sorry for my ignorance, I have read through this entire thread and I'm not sure it has been answered for my specific situation.
     
  11. Jan 25, 2023 at 1:29 PM
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    You would only need longer CVs if you changed out the upper/lower control arms. Of if you did one of the bracket style lifts (fabtech for example).

    Unless there is something revolutionary different about the front suspension on the Tundra that I am not aware of. (I have done a lot of lifts on 3rd/4th/5th gen 4runners, tacomas and even a 1st gen sequoia).
     
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  12. Jan 26, 2023 at 6:18 AM
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    That makes sense. I'm not seeing any lift companies saying you need longer axles for a 2" lift (i.e. no UCA / LCA). I emailed RoughCountry, they said I didn't need different axels. So I'm sticking with what I have for now. Thanks!
     
  13. Jan 26, 2023 at 7:54 AM
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    I have an extra TRD Differential Wire Harness extension bracket PT413-34220 from the Trd lift kit if anyone sees this and wants it for free as long as I can ship it cheap. Pm me.
     
  14. Jan 26, 2023 at 5:44 PM
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    Has anyone had any luck trying to use universal fox shocks on their 3rd Gen yet?
     
  15. Jan 26, 2023 at 6:23 PM
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    BDS has part numbers for rear fox shocks that you can get with their leveling kit for the 22+ tundras
     
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  16. Jan 26, 2023 at 6:50 PM
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    Thanks! I'll look into it! i also went on 4wd did a search by vehicle and it was able to match fox 2.5 universal kits. So I wonder how that will be also
     
  17. Jan 27, 2023 at 5:44 AM
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    I asked this in another thread. pertaining to the TRD OEM lift.

    I'm curious if the front wheels/tires stick out any further than stock due to the extended CV axle? I understand that lifting would essentially "shorten" the stock CV due to angle (at least in theory it makes sense) but does the TRD extended CV actually cause the stance to be wider?
    I'm trying to determine if a +18 offset will still sit as it would with the stock CV or will they essentially look more like a 0 offset with the new TRD lift CV?

    I'm interested if 'poke' will remain unchanged.
     
  18. Jan 27, 2023 at 6:21 AM
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    Not sure if this has been covered before, but I'm hoping for a Fox DSC suspension kit custom tuned by Accutune offroad. I've called FOX and while they don't have any updates, they stated it's in the works and are targeting sometime later in the year.

    I realize the Kings shocks are already announced, but I've had great experience with my custom tuned Fox on my 2020.

    If anyone hears otherwise, please share.
     
  19. Jan 27, 2023 at 7:07 AM
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    Axels won’t make the wheels stick out, you need a full front end with so much more parts to do that, a wheel alignment can play with camber after a lift and that will just adjust the wheel as you look at it vertical it can tilt in or out or plumb. After my front level the wheels tilted outward from being pulled up.

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  20. Jan 27, 2023 at 7:34 AM
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    Ordered icon stage 4 tubular from rogue off-road a month go. Had it in stock when I ordered but now they’re saying out of stock and no eta available

    Honestly rather run a Bilstein or Eibach set up tho.., Anyone have any intel on these brands?
     
  21. Jan 27, 2023 at 12:13 PM
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  22. Jan 29, 2023 at 9:23 AM
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    Do you have any more info on this? Is it wider or thinner?… Kinda tired of waiting and now considering mounting 2nd gen bilstein 6112s
     
  23. Jan 29, 2023 at 9:28 AM
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    Comparison of lengths from a Rough country 3.5” lift strut to a 2nd gen bilstein 6112.. First pic is from RC website and second pic is from shock surplus website data.

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  24. Jan 29, 2023 at 9:47 AM
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    The LCAs are a different design. Look at the difference between a 3rd Gen LCA and a 2.5 Gen LCA where the lower portion of the front shock mounts. On the 22+, the mounting point/cradle is on TOP of the LCA. On the 21's & older, the mounting point/cradle is in front of the LCA. I don't have 2 LCAs to compare the width & depth of the cradle so I can't speak to that. All I know is that design is different and that's why every aftermarket company had to create a new design for the 3rd Gen.

    I'd wait if I were you. Otherwise, you're going to have to tread where no major aftermarket house was willing to go...which is trying to make the 2.5 gen design fit the 3rd gen.

    Personally, I'd wait for Icon over Bilstein. I've burned through multiple sets of 5100's over the years, but a lot people love them. Totally up to you. I have no experience with Eibach. If you were near me, I'd give you my Bilsteins that I took off from my OR package. :)

    Top pic is of a 2022 Tundra LCA:
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    2020 Tundra LCA:
    upload_2023-1-29_9-36-38.jpgupload_2023-1-29_9-37-51.jpg
     
  25. Jan 29, 2023 at 10:09 AM
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    Damn it. I’m just gonna order some RC 2” loaded struts while I wait for my Icon order to come in.. Best I could find is 5% off on eBay
     
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  26. Jan 30, 2023 at 6:42 AM
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    Has anyone else come across ABS wire issues with a lift?

    I just installed the Icon Stage 7 kit on my truck and the ABS wire between the sensor and the UCA is too tight to re-install the metal bracket towards the top of the spindle. Has anyone worked past this issue?
     
  27. Jan 30, 2023 at 6:52 AM
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    You need the piece from the Trd lift kit for the abs wire extension bracket (or come up with something to extend them yourself). Your parking brake lines and rear brake lines are also at risk for getting stretched. Extended brake lines and the parking brake extension bracket from the Trd lift kit fixes those.
     
  28. Jan 30, 2023 at 6:57 AM
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    Cool, thanks. F/R Brake lines have been done but I'll need to check on the parking brake extension bracket. If it's just a matter of changing the bracket I'll probably just fab something up myself :thumbsup:
     
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  29. Jan 30, 2023 at 7:00 AM
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    Basically this step with these items form the Trd kit instructions.
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  30. Jan 30, 2023 at 7:14 AM
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    What part numbers are those brackets from this trd lift parts list.

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