2024 Tacoma

Agreed the 2.4L and the hybrid are both fucking lame. When the 2.7L engines from the competition can churn out 310HP and 430ft-lbs why is Toyota bringing this weak sauce bullshit?

Toyota once again fails to deliver.

 

Fucking weak.

The GM 2.7L makes 310HP and 430ft-lbs and doesn’t need a couple hundred pounds of batteries and bullshit to do it.

 

Toyota makes money selling RAV4’s, Highlanders, and Tacomas. That is where the R&D $$$ goes and the talented engineers get tasked to work on.

Tundra is an afterthought, and frankly with the 3rd Gen it shows.

 

The 4gen Tacoma is what the tundra should have been IMO.

Looks like more thought and effort went into the Tacoma, and someone kept sweers away from it.

That Trailhunter looks interesting, more than the pro.

I am surprised the manual shift was carried over.

I like that the wheel base increased as well has seat height and head room.

I just hope it does not have the same issues the tundra has had.

The new Tacoma is a good looking truck I have a feeling if it does well the tundra may go by the wayside.

 

To give credit where it’s due:

1.) Limited with full time 4X4 with a locking center and low range = win.

2.) Power on board is also great.

It isn’t an A+ because the engine options are below par in segment, but I’ll give it a solid B so far.

For reference the Gen 3 Tundra in lower/mid trims is a C+, and the higher trims are a D-.

 

We'll see about the engine choices when the mpg ratings come out. Maybe this will be shown to be a smart design. Or maybe not.

 

I'll give it 3-5 years to work the bugs out AND if Toyota doesn't come out with a Stout, a SR5 or Sport might be my new daily driver.

 

This is what I really wanted when I sold my 2nd gen Tacoma and got my Tundra back in January but Toyota was just too slow to get these out in time for me. And it will probably be a couple more years before they are reasonably available and then, as you say, they'll need time to work out the bugs. I just couldn't wait that long. But I can see myself possibly downsizing in a couple of years, but only IF the powertrain works out to be smooth, powerful AND better MPG. Yes, I want it all.

Strange about the leaf springs on the long beds. I have to read more but if that is on all trims that might be a deal breaker for me because I will have to have the long bed.

 

I could see a lot of 3rd gen tundra buyers jumping ship for the new tacoma. I think it’s the truck a lot of them wanted/needed, but the 3rd gen tundra got the same or better gas mileage and was a new design with more technology so they bought one instead. If the tow rating was sufficient for my needs I’d definitely be more interested in the 24 tacoma than a new tundra, looks like it has the payload….unless it turns out that no one can get a truck with a matching payload sticker to what they claim.

I also agree with the points in the hybrid power ratings. They make that power and torque with a fully charged battery, but for how long at WOT/pulling a heavy load? I’d really like to know how fast the battery gets depleted in those situations. I’d rather have better numbers out of the ICE running by itself so you know it’s always there when you want it.

 

yep I agree they should have given it the 3.5tt and really had something for the raptor ranger.

 

Talk about two vehicles that have hardly changed over 20 years. We had a new 2002 4Runner for almost 10 years and a new 2004 GX for about eight years. The 4Runner was nice except for the anemic engine, so I super charged it, but the reliability went down some by doing that. Back in 19 we were looking at 2020 GXs for the wife and they were just about the same as our 2004…pathetic that it barely changed. Both vehicles have gotten badly passed and need a major major update to compete. Still there are too many better options out there even if they upgrade.

 

I am exactly that guy... see 4 posts above. And Toyota knows that most Tacoma buyers will not be towing or hauling at all or if so, only occasionally and light. So, this powertrain setup makes a lot of sense. I only wish they had a plug in version with a battery big enough for daily errands and commutes, like the RAV 4 Prime. That would add a lot of versatility and make it a Swiss Army Knife vehicle. Maybe they'll add that in the future.

 

I just saw a meme about this yesterday, claiming they just got carplay in 20 years, but the layout is exactly the same.

 

I think it's a nice upgrade and some cool integrated things and new trim levels ~ pre runner / TrailH. specs might not be better compared to competitors, but Toyota hasn't really seemed to push those compared to them either.

 

The more I see of them and get the details the more pissed off I get about how little effort they put into the tundra.

I never thought I'd prefer to drive a tacoma but with this one, especially the trailhunter with the long bed, I'd prefer it over a tundra.

Looking at how high payload is, and how low the towing is, Toyota knew it. By keeping the towing low they force alot of people to get or stay with a tundra.

 

I would imagine when the Tundra gets a refresh or as new year models come that will incorporate some of these things?

 

I see the Tacoma as more of a test bed for real world R&D as most customers will take on a Tacoma and beat the snot out of it and may later upgrade to the Tundra as the Tundra will inherit a lot of the technology and options from there as the majority of the purchasers of a full size truck will probably be older/mature audience.

 

I see that in honor of the 1794 Tundra, Toyota has released a 1994 Tacoma -- X-Tra cab with no rear doors and leaf springs!

 

Tundra refresh could be 5 years out.
Cross your fingers but don't hold your breath on things getting adding in the next model year or two.

At most, I see a trail hunter in 2 or so years but that'll be about it.

 

Yes, that's the one thing I HATE about this redo. I had a 2009 Tacoma Sport access cab 6' bed and loved those reverse rear doors. Once I deleted the rear jump seats and that stupid rear console I could carry anything back there, even large flatscreen TVs in their boxes... or a bicycle. I can't imagine living without them. And leaf springs? LOL. On the 2024+ I'd have to spring for the double cab, assuming it can be had with the 6' bed.

 

There's a chance Toyota will make it available in refreshed Tundra. But what I can't understand are the payload numbers, they don't make any sense.

 

The red seats, trim, etc. Toyota has been putting in newer TRD models (I think?) is just vomit inducing.

 

Yep.
Not to mention what it'll cost to replace all the shocks in the front seats, hard pass.

 

Nah, it'll be alright

 

Some people are saying they lowered the tow rating on the new Tacoma so that people will still buy the Tundra. They gave it better payload ratings, but dropping the tow rating will still get people to buy the Tundra. The Tundra should have way higher payload and towing than the Tacoma period, IMO.

 

Totally agree. Which is what has me excited for the redesigned next gen 4R and GX.

Was cross shopping the 4R and GX a couple years ago, and ended up buying with a 2020 Pro 4R. Traded in my old 2014 Jeep SRT, and the wife’s 2017 Camry.

Loved everything about that 4R…… except driving it due to the brutal 4.0 / 5 speed combo. If the 4R had the 4.6 / 6 speed / torsen center diff of the GX, then I would have kept that rig forever. Looked VERY hard into supercharging it, but didn’t feel it would be worth it.

The 4R just collected dust since the wife much preferred my Tundra, and I primarily drive my work truck. So decided if a rig was going to collect dust, it would be what I want, so I bought another Jeep SRT.

 

There are options on the Tacoma that should have been on Tundra. The ability to have Wi-Fi cameras on a trailer, that’s not on Tundra right?
Rear tow hooks. Front tow hooks. Tires that match the wheel wells.

 

The one upside to all of this, IMO is Toyota sharing the GA-F platform across a bunch of vehicles. This might help give their truck teams more budget to develop the next generation of product that can be more competitive with the big 3 in the full size truck segment. I think the new Taco looks great, but I wouldn’t buy a 3rd gen Tundra today for the same reasons as many here have already said. I could be convinced to get one of those new GX if it comes with the TT V6 though…

 

LOL…. Nope!