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Discussion in '4th Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by SnrDisregardo, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. Feb 21, 2021 at 6:11 PM
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    Ford 5.0: 2011
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    So the 2007 Toyota 5.7 isn't exactly ancient in comparison.
     
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  2. Feb 21, 2021 at 6:12 PM
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    Depends what you're chasing for cost - try to make the 5.7 get 20 mpg, not that hard (change the gearing and lose weight), try to get 25 and yeah it's a huge task.

    And absolutely a TTV6 could be put into more vehicles, from the trucks to even sports cars. Whether they change the connecting rods for variable displacement or they alter engine parameters for different torque curves and peak power. Who knows if this is their plan, but it certainly could fit into that model.
     
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  3. Feb 22, 2021 at 4:36 AM
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    I can only imagine the beautiful sound of a turbo 2-stroke V8.
     
  4. Feb 22, 2021 at 8:26 AM
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  6. Feb 22, 2021 at 12:32 PM
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    ...or keep them in the premium line-up for those willing to pay more.


    "Performance models that will appeal to passionate driving enthusiasts that crave higher levels of performance over the standard F SPORT models."
     
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    With that in mind if the 5.7 stuck around but was a $5k premium over the hybrid unit (so likely $7-9k over V6TT) how many would pay it? Myself that's an easy no, but for others I think it would work. Now this is assuming it does come with monster payload and towing numbers, if it doesn't have that then there's no reason for the V8.
     
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  8. Feb 22, 2021 at 2:14 PM
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    F150 can legit tow 13k with the 5.0 and the Heavy Duty Payload Package.
     
  9. Feb 22, 2021 at 2:15 PM
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    There is nothing legit about a 4500lb truck pulling 13000lbs.
     
  10. Feb 22, 2021 at 2:16 PM
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    Argue with the engineers not me.
     
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  11. Feb 22, 2021 at 2:20 PM
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    I work with engineers every day usually fixing issues that got overlooked in the design phase and now have to be solved in the manufacturing side. They are really good at their job and math, they’re not always good with common sense.
     
  12. Feb 22, 2021 at 3:37 PM
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    So well put about the engineers. In ideal situations absolutely it can do it. Anyone who has towed with an F150 and a Tundra will tell you the Tundra tows more comfortably and the extra 1500-2000 lbs is why. F150's are too soft and too light to be comfortable at towing those weights. And having said that, maybe the next Tundra will have the same problem. Fuel efficiency and ride comfort do not equal a good tow rig normally, we'll see if Toyota goes after it all.
     
  13. Feb 22, 2021 at 3:53 PM
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    To be more fair to Ford and the f150 there is a lot more to the equation than just vehicle weight. When spec’d right they do have a a higher gvwr than the tundra, which mean they can put more of that 13000lbs on the truck. Which kinda sorta but not really makes the truck heavier, I say this because while the weight is on the truck, the momentum is still with the trailer and when shit gets hairy that’s what matters. Me and other experienced towers probably could fine tune a 13klb trailer with a really nice wdh setup to tow pretty good but we also probably never would because we know when a tire blows or some idiot cuts you off or clips you or the trailer that 13klbs is going to man handle that truck and you’ll just be along for the ride.
     
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  14. Feb 22, 2021 at 4:15 PM
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    whoa, really? I know of 86-88 toy pickups with a 22rte(turbo) but never heard of a 3vze turbo. If there is one I want it. I currently have a 93 T100 that I swapped in a 95+ 5vze and supercharged it. The truck came with a 3vze.
     
  15. Feb 22, 2021 at 5:44 PM
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    Let's keep in mind that Toyota wants this truck to be a game changer. As a company at the forefront of fuel efficiency and using hybrid technology it's pretty safe to assume that the V8 is dead. On top of that, the Tundra doesn't get the budget like the domestics do which limits the multi engine choices they seem to always have. Removing the V8 will also benefit their CAFE numbers which is a mandate for them anyway. As someone coming from the Ecoboost, it will do what 95% or more of half ton pick up truck buyers are using their trucks for..... A minivan replacement.

    I need a truck for truck things, reliability and dependability is above fuel economy for me. Its the reason I ran out for a 2021, it's the reason why my next truck will probably be a HD model.
     
  16. Feb 22, 2021 at 6:05 PM
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    Ouch....:duel:but definitely how I use my truck 95% of the time.
     
  17. Feb 22, 2021 at 6:05 PM
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    A turbo engine will do 100% what a NA will do. You lose all the fuel gains, but if someone is after fuel economy and towing they're in an HD diesel. As for reliability, that's a Ford issue - they even have issues in the 5.0 coyote. Sure the turbo means more parts, but if they're overbuilt and taken care of then there's no reason for them to cause reliability issues.
     
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    This frustrating as Toyota is a very wealthy company and had 3 engine choices when the 2nd gen first was released.
     
  19. Feb 23, 2021 at 6:33 AM
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    More likely your hybrid TTv6 will be a $7k-9k premium over the v8. Will you pay?
     
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  20. Feb 23, 2021 at 6:44 AM
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    This. My '13 F150 *could* tow a 27' camper. (I did it twice.) Used a WDH, made sure that it was under ratings, etc. (I even went so far as to have the family drive separate.) It had trailer brakes, anti-sway, towing package, the whole 9 yards....and I can ABSOLUTELY tell you that it was/is one hell of a lot easier to both tow *and* control the same amount of weight with my 2020 Tundra. More power is 1/2 of it; more weight to control/counteract the weight of what you're towing is the other 1/2.
     
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    3 choices for the 2022
    v6 TT no hybrid
    v6 TT hybrid HEV
    v6 no turbo hybrid PHEV
     
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    that's my speculative guess
     
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    When's the unveiling?
     
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    I hope you’re a shitty guesser:burnrubber:
     
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    That's what is mostly been speculated. Why do you say no turbo on the plug in?
     
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    Premium over what? There's so much smoke about no V8 that I'm pretty sure there won't be one in the Tundra. So no apples to apples comparison. I expect the hybrid to add $2-3k over the base V6TT - I'd have to test drive it to see. Only reason I'd want one is I'm expecting a lot more power with that than the current V8.

    For Toyota to keep the V8 around it would have to make financial sense for them. The V6TT can be tweaked to be used in about a dozen or so of their vehicles, the 5.7 has about 3. It's a very specialized engine, so I'd be very curious how much people would pay for it, and would that be enough to make it financially viable for Toyota.
     
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    Well if you need more power then great. That's a great reason to get it. 5.7 is done. You heard it here. Long live the Raptor clone.
     
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    Does it matter who did it first? nope. I've driven multiple generations of the 3.5 - all but the HO one, and I have no issue with the power. It doesn't get better fuel mileage the way I drive, and that's why I've zeroed in on the hybrid version. I love the V8 as much as anyone, but they're about maxed out for what they can do. Hybrid and electric is going to dominate in 10 years, may as well get on board now.
     
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    I think the Corolla hybrid is a great example. Double the fuel economy of the standard Corolla and only costs a couple thousand dollars more. If the new Tundra does something similar and the capability and reliability is there, it would be a no brainer for me once it's time to replace this truck.
     

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