2022 Tundra

4.0 TTV8. Would be sweet if they dropped this in the new Tundra.

another link: Road & Track

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TRE Performance carries a blower unit for this engine which is made by Magnussen . A well thought out package if you study it.
I'm seeing if it does pass CA smog like they are involved in then, I'll pop for it.
At 7 pounds of boost it should not be detrimental to life rate of that motor.
This truck does need a healthy boost of power and to me that is the cleanest way of getting er done.

 

Would be cool but that’s almost certainly a Lexus F car exclusive. Sounds like Lexus is finally getting a big body high HP sedan though. Good for them for finally getting that going and competing with the Germans, as V8’s are going extinct no less. Always been a fan of the big LS sedans so maybe one of those will be in my future instead of the GS-F.

If that engine somehow made it into the LC/LX then I could see it getting to the Tundra.

 

And when you tow anything of substance or load up the bed, that mileage will vary it's rear end into the ground.
Electric motor trucks to me is as much an oxymoron as "Giant Shrimp".
There's a ton of oil in the ground and today's engines are extremely clean.
Focus on China and India for carbon clean up. That's where 85% of carbon emissions are eminating from.
Put a blower on the 5.7 and watch Toyota Tundra sales go into the stratosphere.

 

That doesn’t pass agendas in the US or get the media to make us feel guilty about using plastic grocery bags and straws.

I wish someone would report on the mining and mfg process of batteries and explain where the power comes from to charge them. Pretty sure it isn’t all wind and solar power and rainbows and unicorns.

 

Electric motors in a truck is an oxymoron? You realize that the biggest haulers in the world are Electric right? Trains and those big huge mining dump trucks are all diesel Electric hybrids. There is no way a ice can compare to the towing ability of electric.

 

I agree with you on this point completely however the common denominator in those larger applications you cited (trains/extremely heavy duty trucks) is that there is either a diesel or gasoline engine producing electricity. How efficient this is?...I do not know... The problem lies in how long could a fully electric full-size pickup, carrying a family of four, luggage/gear, and a 8k travel trailer in the mountains, take to drain that battery. Yes the power is absolutely there but the range is the big question mark...

I partially agree with @Nowhereman...it simply doesn’t make sense. The technology simply isn’t there yet. Ford and GM are jumping in head first into fully electric trucks like crack heads who haven’t gotten a hit in a few days. Toyota isn’t where they are today because of stupid decisions...regardless of what we believe as owners. Hence all the hybrid models in there lineup.

 

Toyota has no plans of going fully Electric right now. They have actually stated they didn't think that was a good idea at this time. It will be a hybrid. However look at where the electric car technology was 5 years ago and where it is now. It is moving extremely quickly. Battery range is increasing very quickly and charging times are dropping just as quickly. Another 5-10 years and I would bet the Electric cars will be taking over many of the new cars built.

 

Just this tiny little problem...... Where the electric motor gets its power. Trains don't run on batteries my friend.

 

Exactly they are hybrids just like Toyota is doing with the tundra.

 

Yes, technology is moving at insane rate but the downsides of full electric vehicles are NO where near being realized. When these cars get totaled NO ONE HAS ANY CLUE how to properly dispose of these damaged batteries. I will cite an article I read a few months back making this exact argument...I have to find it again. For every action there is an equal reaction...what is the “reaction”. There is going to be a day when the ICE is gone. But there are going to be some large bumps in the road and there is nothing wrong or evil about putting on the brakes and “slowing down” certain technologies to have an earnest conversation about the effects. The future of electric vehicles is inevitable but what most people are failing to realize you can’t just flip a switch and have perfect technology. It takes an immense amount time, grit, ingenuity, and money to achieve decent technology let alone perfect technology. Many individuals have unrealistic expectations and want instant gratification...thats not how technology works...

 

From what I have read we have approximately 50 years before our known oil reserves are dry, but have read that we have about 25-30 years before we cannot keep up with demand. I dont see oil going away completely anytime soon, but we also can't keep up our current pace. There are a lot of 25-30 year old cars on the roads right now so the cars that are currently being produced may not live out their entire life before its hard to find gas for them. So we do need to find ways to start slowing down our consumption. At the minimum better fuel economy through hybrid vehicles. Battery technology isn't there yet, but it is actually getting very close for most people's apications.

 

Recycling the batteries is something we need to figure out however, we are already moving past lithium batteries to the next tech. Yes new tech comes with a new set of problems just like the ice engine created problems when it came out however we did a pretty good job of fixing many of them. Now it's time to start perfecting the next means of propulsion.

 

Yes of course every resource has a limit and yes we do need to start finding and researching alternatives...but to jump in head first (fully electric not hybrid) like Ford and GM is dumb. Gas is going to extremely expensive in the next year or two. What is GM and especially Ford going to do? They have nothing that can compete with Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Kia, or Hyundai. How are they going to survive?...more bailout by the US taxpayers? Yes these manufacturers need to prepare for the future and lessen fossil fuel consumption but it needs to be gradually and carefully done...

 

Then why does Ford make and sell 1/2ton F-150s with payload ratings approaching 2700lbs? Why do some 1-ton F350s have payload ratings near 5300lbs?


Whats the point of a 1/2 ton that can haul roughly ~300lb or one fat person more than most cars/SUVs/Crossovers. As many have pointed out, 4 or 5 large guys and your truck (depending on trim/options) might as well be regular sedan in terms of usable payload. To look at it another way, whats the point of those giant frame rails, 10.5in ring gear, etc if they don't result in more meaningful capability in terms of payload.

I posted this in another thread on here somewhere. Payload ratings from the door jamb stickers on some random vehicles of mine/family/friends.
2020 Tundra Platinum 4x4: 1185lbs
2020 Lexus NX 300 FWD: 895lbs
2019 Kia Stinger V6 RWD: 904lbs
2017 Subaru Forester 2.5 6MT: 900lbs
2017 Mercedes AMG C63S Sedan: 871lbs
2008 FJ Cruiser 4x4: 1190lbs
2001 Lexus LX470: 1240lbs

Just some food for thought.

 

I think the 1/2, 3/4, 1 Ton nomenclature is old terminology and never really was related to what you could carry in the bed. And to your point, these 'payload' capabilities are sheer baloney.

I bought a bunch (30) of 40 lb bags of mulch last year and put them in the bed of my truck. Barely noticed them other than the rear sagged a bit. I would have taken more, but the stack was as high as I dared. I have the roadmaster active springs on my truck. I really like them, and they help with stability and load. You can also dial in how much 'assist' you want. I have them set on the lowest setting. I set them higher to the mid setting for a second trip, and there was almost no sag. That was 1200lbs, and the truck would have had NO problem handling double that.

Heck, I'm gonna go and buy that 3Klb Slide in Camper for my 2017 DC TRD Pro, throw some airbags on the rear for when necessary and not look back ;-)

 

I'm skeptical of these claims. Just thinking out loud here--hybrids and EVs are more prevalent than ever, we're continuing to stretch how far we can travel on a gallon of fuel, more people than ever before are working from home and are realizing that they want to stay that way (which means less driving), and in 25-30 years, the global population will begin to shrink. Almost nowhere on Earth are humans meeting the 2.1 live births per couple baseline average that is required to sustain a population, let alone grow it at all.

I just don't see how we have this ever-accelerating demand for fuel that puts oil in danger of running out in our lifetimes.

 

I'm focused on trucks here. Cars are another issue alltogether.
MY background is mechanical engineering and I have designed and implemented more than a few fully automated manufacturing plants.
Looking at the power sources available today, I would of focused on Hydrogen vehicles / trucks for an alternative to normal petrol fuels.
They can produce large amounts of energy with virtually no carbon footprint.

 

I read where you said you carried the mulch bags, but I’d recommend against a camper. I have a decked with tools, ARE cap, bumper with winch so my truck is probably around 6800-7000 lbs. I usually get 1000 lbs of pellets at a time. Once I tried 1200 lbs and could definitely feel it. With everything this was probably 2000 lbs or so over stock. A 3k camper is asking to have an accident and hurt someone. I have airbags that were at 50 psi when carrying the pellet bags. Not sure if your comment was sarcasm.

 

Thats the main data point that made me feel better about running a liteweight slide in camper(FWC) on my Tundra with some suspension upgrades. Here is a pic from my 2014 FJ and 2019 DC Tundra. FJ GVWR is right at GAWR, whereas the Tundra’s GVWR is 1000lbs under its GAWR.

 

There is still a large chunk of the world that is in the development stage. These countries have a high birthrate and are growing. It is also a large number of people who are just now getting access to cars. You are right in that the devopeloped countries are not growing in population. However India and many African countries are still growing rapidly. The numbers I gave were for known reserves and current usage. The known reserves can always change, but the new reserves are typically more expensive to get to. If we stopped all ice engine production today, it would still be 20-30 years before the current vehicles are off the road. So by GM saying they are getting rid of ice engines by 2035, we are actually looking at 2050-2065 before those last vehicles are gone. We are not talking about ice disappearing over night it will still be decades before they are gone even if we started tomorrow.

 

They have been predicting 'running out' for decades. You can find studies to support whatever you want from 'oh my we will run out in 10 years to.... we have a near inexhaustible supply.

• "The world will run out of oil in 10 years."
  • - U.S. Bureau of Mines (1914)
• "The world will run out of oil in 13 years."
  • - U.S. Department of the Interior (1939 and 1950)
• "The world will run out of oil and other fossil fuels by 1990."
  • - Paul Erlich, Limits to Growth (1973)
• "The world will run out of oil in 2030, and other fossil fuels in 2050."
  • - Paul Erlich, Beyond the Limit (2002)

Fact of the matter is that hydro carbon derived energy is not going to run out anytime soon unless it is REGULATED out of existence. It is cheap, easily accessible, and increasingly getting cleaner. First coal, then oil and natural gas allowed rapid growth in industrial processes, agriculture, and transportation. The world today is unrecognizable from that of the early 19th century, before fossil fuels came into wide use. Human health and welfare have improved markedly, and the global population has increased from 1 billion in 1800 to almost 8 billion today. The fossil fuel energy system is the lifeblood of the modern economy. Fossil fuels powered the industrial revolution, pulled millions out of poverty, and shaped the modern world. Sheik Ahmed Zahi Yamani, the longtime Saudi oil minister and a key founder of OPEC, has perhaps summed up the world oil market the most nicely. He said, "The stone age came to an end, not for lack of stones, and the oil age will end, but not for lack of oil."

 

Yes, total sarcasm...... My main worry would be frame, and bed mounts, not the rest of the truck. Suspension can be upgraded for weight.

 

I agree. The EV by battery trend is transitional IMO.

 

I thought so but you never know. I’ve seen a tundra with a camper. I missed the brand cause it passed by me and I couldn’t turn to follow it. But I’m sure it was over payload. It was not a pop up camper.

 

Good post. I thought the earth temp would be over 100F and we’d all be underwater by now due to global warming and sea levels rising. How many of those predictions were also way off.

 

That's my point exactly. It doesn't matter what manufacturer it is, they all do it. But they should get a different classification system because selling a 1/2 ton truck that actually carries 3/4 tons but the owner complains because it can't carry 1 ton is just silliness. Every year they increase the payload by a little bit to just get a little better than the competition, to where they have all now outgrown their own classifications.
It's like me going to the store to buy a gallon of milk but I complain because I did not get 1.5 gallons when I paid for 2 gallons..... It doesn't make sense, but that's what is going on with these truck classifications.

 

Just think of them as 1500, 2500 and 3500 series trucks. The Tundra is a 1500 series truck and should compete with the offerings from the other manufacturers in that class.

 

Yes, that is how I see it, and yes the Tundra is in the 1500 series, but the 1500 used to stand for something. You could look at the number and know what you were buying.