2022 Tundra

But they didn't charge for the front license plate bracket. So there's that....

 

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ― George Carlin

 

From 5.7 to 5.0! Yea, I’ll pass.

 

https://moneyinc.com/2022-toyota-tundra/

They list the wrong engine but 30 MPG?

 

From the Motor Trend article on the TRD Pro:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-toyota-tundra-trd-pro-first-look/

What on earth? Why on earth? Someone call Toyota. Please tell me my two-month old has me so sleep deprived I can't interpret simple English. Why would they lock out the e-locker in 2wd and 4-hi? 2wd and 4-hi account for 99.99999% of a truck's usage. Back in my old Silverado, the auto e-locker would kick in all the time in wet/snow/offroad conditions in 2wd, providing the traction needed to not even need 4-hi, much less 4-lo. Sigh... Toyota...

 

They also give two different numbers for the HP and said it has awd. It’s like they were just making it up as they went along.

 

Its always been that way, both my Tacoma and T4R have to be in 4lo to engage it. My Tacoma takes forever to engage..i'm not really fond of it. I think people found ways to bypass Toyota nannies on that so it would engage no matter the drive mode, hopefully could do the same with the Tundra.

 

Actually, George got this wrong. Apparently, he isn't all that smart either.

He is confusing "average" (mean) with the word median. They are two completely different things.

 

That is insane... Why would you not shop around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETPV0EpjCLk

 

I really hope so.

 

Considering the IQ distribution among humans is a symmetric bell curve, the mean and median are practically the same number.

 

The only conclusive thing I can draw from that site is that “money” in “www.moneyinc.com” is a reference to their blatant attempts to get you to keep scrolling on that page so that they can generate ad revenue.

 

Doesn't Ford sell far more F150s with EBs than Coyotes?

 

We haven't had any engine choices on the current Tundra for at least a couple years (in Canada, anyway) and I haven't heard any complaining...

 

Before I bought my Tundra I was researching the F150 extensively. A 5.0 Coyote was definitely not as common as the other two engine options. In was becoming a bit of work to find a 5.0 Coyote Super Crew cab in the STX package with the towing package. What finally turned me off was every dang Ford dealership wanted to get me into a 55k F150. I basically told them a snowballs chance in hell is better than me buying a 55k pickup. Believe it or not the Tundra has a much greater value at 40k than a F150 by far…

 

This should not be a suprise, this is exactly the way toyota sets up their 4wd systems in the Tacoma as well....The Tundra system is just the Tacoma system, 4-5 years later...lol

 

Unfortunately most of the new tundra models will probably be closer to 55k than 40K..lol

 

Unfortunately I have been thinking the same thing for the new generation….

 

From the frame of reference of a Toyota person, I'd agree. From the frame of reference of a new-to-Toyota person, not really. The G80 auto locker in GMs is available all the time. I think the locker on the Ford is available all the time via a switch. Not sure about Dodge? Pull a pin, yell "grenade!" and run for cover?

 

So it has the 5.7L and an option of a 6 speed manual ? I don’t think they really know what they’re talking about . Maybe Motorbiscuit wrote the article for them . lol

 

Yes the Rams can be engaged at anytime with the push of a button . Instant posi taking off in a straight line . lol

 

I know we have no clue on the pricing but here is what I think. Toyota will be competitive on their pricing vs the ford's and gm's. Will we see a price hike? Or course we will. Will it be 10k plus per trim level. I doubt it and here is why. You see ford, gmc's and chevys built waiting on mostly just chips. Thousands of these trucks are built just waiting for the chips and then they'll be shipped out. Yes if Toyota is before the curve we will see higher prices bc they'll have the truck's on the lots but at any given time the chips could come in for the other brands and those will be on dealer lots (probably faster than these Tundras. Toyota wants a share of that market and won't price themselves out of it. I went to a gmc lot yesterday and they had plenty of 1500's (loaded priced at 55k) at4 priced at 59-62k. And 2500 priced anywhere from 60-80k. This lot didn't have any ADM's and I think luckily for me living in the central Florida market it's hard for them to do so bc you can drive an hour and hit easily 5-10 lots. Supply chain will catch up and when it does you'll have plenty of truck's to choose from.

 

I see you what your saying…

But Toyota had to put a decent amount of R&D into this new generation and had to completely retool their assembly lines. The twin turbo may not have the price jump that the Hybrid will but I do honestly feel people are going to be shell shocked by the twin turbo Hybrid model. Look at the Highlander XLE Hybrid, that’s a mid grade vehicle for 45k. I have been eyeing one up for my wife.

 

You never know, if these chips start coming in all at once, with all the trucks staged and ready to go, they could flood the market and we could see some big price drops.

 

Can't compare the G80 to electric locking diff.

The G80 is mechanical, it locks when there's a high differential between the left/right axle. It will unlock mechanically when the difference abates. So, it won't stay unnecessarily locked when not needed.

Toyota and Nissan use electric clutch locking differential. If you forget and leave it engaged, on dry pavement it will bind and eventually cause damage. On a wet/icy surface it can make the truck very dangerous as both wheels can loose traction causing dramatic oversteer.
This is why Toyota and Nissan restrict the e-locker to 4LO.
It's the safest for 95% of owners.

 

Thats what I'm think too. They are built and ready to ship. Supply will eventually catch demand and then its a buyers market. Time will tell....

 

A posi traction system is different from a locker. With a locker both wheels will spin at the same speed. With a posi it allows the wheels to turn at different speeds. When turning the inside wheel needs to turn slower than the outside.

This is probably one of the reasons Toyota has the locker system in 4 lo. It is a true locker....My Wrangler was the same way with the front and rear lockers, only in 4LO.

What is strange is Toyota's own marketing and design with the 4wd systems. I understand why all of the other trucks have the Tacoma/4 runner system regarding lockers etc, but the PRO is kind of baffling.

Toyota clearly at introduction said the pro was designed as a high(er) speed off road vehicle like the raptor etc, and not for rock crawling, real 4wd uses etc. Why they did not put a high speed locker system or any high speed traction aids is kinda weird, and says to me they really don't know what the pro is except a name and looks for those that are into that kinda thing.

I think for true traditional 4wd use, the pro is not the best choice in the line up. I have long thought that the TRD OR package gives the best bang for the buck in the toyota lineup for off road value and performance.

 

Kind of have having a hard time believing the anticipated TRD Pro and hybrid is delayed due to any other reason than supply issues.

 

This is just a typical Toyota rollout... I don't think it has anything to do with supply issues. They are just slow rolling it so that they have bandwidth to deal with issues as they come up. It's actually really smart.

 

I mean they did have to reduce global production by 40% just to make the rollout. So there was a supply issue. I'm sure it will launch but at some point that 40% has to operate again and either the supply chain will have normalized or it will be after initial Tundra launch and the second wave supply will be diminished.