2022 Tundra

It's been my experience that C&D and the rest don't usually put things in these articles they didn't already know were true.

 

Is it external or internal, because if it is internal, I want nothing to do with it....disaster waiting to happen, and Toyota has had issues with those before so they don't have a perfect track record with them.

 

I don't think the Pro crosses the $70k mark like some people, but these are so far off it's insane. Those are pretty much 2021 MSRP numbers.

 

Is this the first air bag system Toyota has done?....They can be problematic and off road...no go

 

I like skinny rims. Nothing worse than seeing some dumbass Bro Dozer who tried to air down and had the tire come off blocking the trail.

These are the same components that have been on the Lexus GX and LX vehicles since 2003.

 

4Runner had an air suspension offering in the 4th gen as well IIRC, being the twin of the GX

 

According to this you can buy a 22 TRD pro for cheaper than a current gen TRD pro. I’m in.

 

First thing we shitcan when we lift them.

 

Except that Toyota is calling that TRD Pro the top of the line now.

 

And I believe as bulletproof as those are, the one thing that is problematic as they get age and mileage is the air suspension system. I see a couple of systems with this new truck, while reliable overall, will have more potential for problems than some are used to with high mileage and older aged Toyotas.

But that has kind of been the case with every new generation change with Toyota, and most car makers in general.

I think if I wanted tow heavy and keep it a long time, I would probably skip the air suspension system and figure it out with conventional coils and suspension mods, or just use the under 500 Firestone system and get a new set when they fail. etc. The integrated system has potential to be useless and in the way in certain circumstances, definitely in the way for off road mods etc.

 

If you look at the current 2021 vs 2022 pricing across Toyota’s line up, the increase is about $500. The markup for hybrid is ~$3000. I see the TRD pro running $59 -$60 if this holds true

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRu4v57LV-o

1:15:00

 

How many of the other line ups went through this dramatic of a change from the 21 to 22 ?

 

This doesn't really say much. Toyota says they aren't interested in grabbing a lot of market share from the big 3. It's more conquest and moving people from the Tacoma to the Tundra instead of the Tacoma to a competitor. About the only thing they said that would work in favor of a low price is, that it would have to be super low to get buyers. Then they go on to say it wasn't a world beater, nothing ground breaking, and the aesthetics are bad.

 

For arguments sake I ran the KBB (yes I know) numbers on my 15 TRD Pro. Low miles excellent condition. For my area trade in value is in the $32k to $34k range. Person to person sale price is $36k to $38k. Even on the low end a $32k trade in takes a considerable bite out of a potential $70k price tag on a new one. My point being that for a segment of the market that has a paid for trade in they will benefit from increased vehicle values on the trade side that will help take the bite out of the increase on the buy side. All of a sudden $38k net out of pocket to upgrade doesn't seem horrible. The guys who will balk are the buyers with no trade or who have a trade with no equity. And there is a segment of that market that will go for 84 month financing to keep their payment low. Not saying ANY of this is fiscally prudent but its how the numbers will fall for some people to justify paying 70k for a truck.

 

I think the closest thing to pricing we've seen is the Limited TRD Off Road CM with an ARV of $56,500 for the contest.

 

Most corporate employers have been understaffed for years, well over a decade. Many did this on purpose because it's cheaper to have 4 people work 50 hours a week instead of 5 people working 40. Many also ran short staffed because the labor market didn't have the purple squirrel they wanted to hire. When Covid hit, and people started WFH, they realized they couldn't get people to work overtime. They relaxed their hiring criteria and a lot of the people that found themselves unemployed due to Covid could suddenly step up to a corporate, 9-5, job instead of a retail/service industry position. When those positions reopened the people were no longer there to work them.

 

I think you and I already disagreed on this once, but I still think there's a business case for Toyota to undercut their competition. I think it was the reason a lot of features we expected to see were missing. I think Toyota is trying to make this truck as affordable to build and affordable to buy as possible while still maintaining a decent margin. I think that's why things like auto 4x4, a tailgate step, and an inverter are missing. Profit margins are options are good, but I think they were trying to keep costs down. I also think that since this platform was spread across every single body on frame vehicle toyota makes, this was probably the cheapest Tundra that Toyota has ever designed. I honestly don't think it'll be a $70k truck, but time will tell.

 

Funny thing is someone will always complain. When I was kid my dad was addicted to the news paper and TV. Nothing has changed. Just the form of getting information. Embrace what is available including tech. Too many close minded people.

 

Someone else gets it!

 

I see the way they positioned these, as 2 different branches of the tree, the SR, SR5, TRD-Pro is one, the limited, Platinum, 1794 is the other for the customers they've aligned them for. Maybe, not sure, just seems how their features are lined up.

 

Can't wait for the online configurator to go live. I am hoping that I can get an SR5 DC TRD OR w/ base powertrain below $48k.

 

Or just get a bigger truck if you’re going to tow heavy

 

The highlander and RAV4 have had recent platform updates that did not require massive price increase that the dingbats on this forum are anticipating. The availability due to “chip shortages” and price gouging that goes with it are not to be included as it is unpredictable and unnecessary if you order directly and are willing to wait.

 

You should be able to get a SR5 Crewmax TRD Offroad 4x4 for around $48k

 

Before or after dealer and distributor add-ons?

 

Any idea when it will go live to preorder??

 

Yep. That was a legitimate source that essentially gave us a ceiling for the Limited Off-road trim. It's good news too because I don't think the Pro will be $10k higher than it.

 

The speculation about MSRP is a bit funny.. Just because the TRD Pro is now hybrid isn't going to increase by $10k or more. For one it has NiMH batteries which is far cheaper, two they are going to increase production numbers which will lower initial costs as well. Without accounting for market adjustments which I can't see being forever there is no way they are going to challenge fully loaded Ram, GMC, or Ford pricing which can easily touch $70k, they never have. Also, as mentioned for $72k most people would go buy a fairly loaded Raptor even though it's a Ford it's basically superior in nearly every way save for towing ability.

Toyota has a very methodical marketing and business plan. Part of their business model is offering 90% of the capability of the big 3 all the while being cheaper and far more reliable hence the following. If Toyota all of sudden increased base MSRP by $10k or more I bet many would jump ship. At that price point you are looking at a Raptor or if towing concerns a 3/4 ton diesel for $70k. I would spit out my coffee if a nearly loaded TRD Pro comes in much above $60k.

I guess one good way to think of this is look at the upcharge for many of the diesel variants. At worst, Ram charges nearly $5k (which is absurd) but the point remains. It's FAR cheaper to put in a relatively small battery (especially NiMH) by todays hybrid standards and small MG than it is to choose a diesel option. Had we got the option for a 3.3L Diesel like Europe then I think people won't be crying left and right about MSRP imo...

 

Except that as of 2020 or so the Pro is closer to a Limited than an SR5.