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Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by SnrDisregardo, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. Jan 9, 2021 at 7:03 PM
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    Was it deleted/tuned at all?
     
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    What are we talking about here? Lol
     
  3. Jan 9, 2021 at 7:16 PM
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    No. He owns a diesel shop in Denver, CO. He would never risk that.

    It does have a small lift and tires. This is the heaviest he tows. 24' flatbed (3800lbs), Black buggy is 4500 lbs and his sons Suzuki is pretty light, so less than 3500 lbs.

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  4. Jan 9, 2021 at 7:17 PM
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    I'm not even sure anymore...
     
  5. Jan 9, 2021 at 10:26 PM
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    If he owns a diesel shop and a Cummins I bet the first thing he did was a delete and a tune.
     
  6. Jan 9, 2021 at 11:02 PM
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    You would be wrong.
     
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    OK, fair enough, but by and large the first thing Cummins owners do is delete the emissions crap and put an EFI Live or Smarty tuner on their rig. Its certainly not risky, and I would think anyone who owns a diesel shop wouldn't think it risky either.
     
  8. Jan 9, 2021 at 11:20 PM
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    EPA really cracked down early 2020 on deletes/tunes. You can’t even go to the diesel parts websites and get egr block off plates for 15 year old diesels anymore. It’s out there, but not advertised due to the crackdown.
     
  9. Jan 10, 2021 at 12:46 AM
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    Risk is not worth the reward of a few HP. The Clean Air Act is pretty clear on fines/violations. Trust me, you don't want those fines. Hell, the Diesel Brothers got slapped with over 850,000.00 in fines last March. Diesel shops can get popped for 50000.00 per offense. Trust me, most people would dime out a shop in a New York minute to get out of fines.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31399622/diesel-brothers-reality-tv-fined/

    The emissions equipment on new diesels robs a couple hp... That's it. I drank the cool-aide too. Watch these:





    Gale Banks is the gold standard in diesel/performance tuning. I would have the Derringer on my truck if they had one little option (manual regen/mobile regen). I run the EDGE CTS3 Insight. His products just work...and work well.
     
  10. Jan 10, 2021 at 12:48 AM
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    Now the EGR blocks are all done electronically. Easier by far.
     
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  11. Jan 10, 2021 at 12:51 AM
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    It’s more about the restrictiveness and limp mode bullshit that the emission equipment does than lowering hp for me. If given the choice, I’d just tune the truck to run without emissions and not bump up any power. I mean all the current diesels are pushing over 900 lb/ft of torque from the factory. The pissing match between ford and ram for most torque is unnecessary at this point. I’m looking at possibly going back to diesel for Rv towing, but the emissions are always in the back of my mind kind of holding me back. A duramax would be my choice though
     
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    That’s interesting. I hadn’t really looked at much diesel stuff since moving to Toyota back in 2015.
     
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    You probably have heard me say this a "few" times:

    Diesel trucks make crappy daily drivers. You really need to work diesels and heat them up. My truck sits in the garage until one of a few things happens:

    1) Tow duties.
    2) Snow (my daily driver Lexus is RWD and will not move in the snow)
    3) Long trips

    I took my truck tonight into work due to #2 on the list and I needed to do a regen. Once I pulled in, set the Edge CTS3 on manual regen, popped the hood, and the truck did the rest. I also drive 38 miles one way to work, so no short trips for me.

    The people I see having problems on other sites is very evident:

    1) Not monitoring systems with gauges (aftermarket)
    2) towing max capacity and not swallowing pride. It's ok not going 75 mph towing 26K lbs up a mountain pass (usually not doing #1).
    3) Using cheap tuners or not doing all the mods completely due to cost.
    4) Using high HP tunes while towing and not watching EGT's.

    For someone looking to RV or pull a lot, diesels are where it's at...for now. A couple people at my work DD diesel trucks from under 10 miles away. Interesting how they are the ones having all the problems.
     
  14. Jan 10, 2021 at 1:26 AM
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    Yeah I grew up daily driving diesels so it’s nothing new to me vs someone who hasn’t daily driven one before. My drive to work is 20 miles one way and about 90% highway so while it’s not a huge drive, it’s not stop and go to where the truck doesn’t warm up
     
  15. Jan 10, 2021 at 1:41 AM
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    Short commutes are terrible for a diesel. Precisely the reason I moved back to gas. Diesels have their place, but if you aren't working them like they need you will pay for it.
     
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    ...Dearly. I have been there with two per-emissions diesels. Totally destroyed them. They were dodges...so there is that.

    This is why I have been keeping a close watch on the 2022 Tundra. If it's everything I hear, it will fill the gap for a lot of owners.
     
  17. Jan 10, 2021 at 1:57 AM
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    Well, you blink and the whole diesel world has changed.

    I had an 06 Dodge 2500 CTD all the way up until 2014. I had 4" straight pipe from the turbo back (stupid loud!), a Smarty tuner, and AFE intake and full billet rebuilt tranny. Truck made plenty of power and regularly pulled a 32' toyhauler at about 12k lbs fully loaded. Like you mentioned, just watch the EGTs and adjust speed or gear accordingly and it was great. I daily drove it for about 4 years straight with zero issues.

    When Cali started trying to do emissions testing on diesels back then the smog places didn't even know how to do it on the Gen 3 and older since they couldn't even hook the computer up to them. I'd just set the Smarty to eco mode and they did a visual smoke puff test and checked that I had a cat and called it good. I did have to weld in a gutted cat so I'd pass the visual check, but otherwise it was just a formality. I had friends with Gen 4s that immediately deleted their DPF, and EFI Live was the big new thing in tuning, so they all did that. In those years they had to do that just to get back to the power the Gen 3s were making. Obviously the power the newer trucks are making is well beyond the Gen 3s and I haven't really paid attention to diesels since then, but I just assumed that folks were doing the same thing.
    I guess when your making over 400HP and over 1000 lb-ft of torque stock then all that other stuff becomes unnecessary.
     
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    Definitely. I just plan to stay with my current truck. There's no way to make a lateral move financially, so I plan to love the truck I have.
     
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    As much crap dodge gets, at least they’re going back to the CP3 fuel pump after only 2 short years with the CP4. That leaves ford as the only one still using that turd of a fuel pump. I agree about the 2022 tundra. Should be getting some actual details soon hopefully
     
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    I hope so. The 2022 Tundra thread so far is a few renderings or spy shots of what it may look like, a lot of speculation about engine/transmission options, and about 30 pages of Tacoma, Ford Ecoboost and diesel truck discussion. Not that those topics aren't somewhat pertinent, but I think we're all just passing the time until Toyota finally drops the data on us.
     
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    We actually had the same truck, same tuner, different exhaust, same intake.

    I also hollowed out my cat, did a straight pipe through the cat, welded the ends to the 4" pipe. This was the way I stopped the hollow drone. Looked like a factory catalyst.

    Now days, if you need more HP than 475 HP/1050 #ft tq, probably using the wrong tool.
     
  22. Jan 10, 2021 at 4:05 AM
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    I just read that article about Diesel Brothers, then made the mistake of reading some of the comments below. Man, those are some angry people. My 06 never really made a lot of soot, only time I saw a lot of exhaust was on really steep climbs pulling the trailer. The rest of the time it was pretty mild. I've seen the guys that purposely "roll coal" in parking lots and intersections and always just kinda chuckled at them, because really, you're just burning fuel for what? I generally practiced the feather and coast method to squeeze out every bit of fuel mileage I could. No way I'm gonna just sit there and burn fuel for no reason.
    Funny that the Diesel Brothers thing happened in Utah. Bypassing the emissions laws on a TV show will get you fined, but having multiple wives on a TV show is perfectly fine. :notsure:
     
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    I know a lot of people in CO that are getting a little nervous due to new emissions laws in what used to be "no smog" counties. I do believe CO will have state wide diesel emissions testing. This year I had to put my truck on the dyno to get checked.

    Rolling coal really reeks havoc on the turbine side of the turbo.
     
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    No thanks, I’ll wait a couple years.
     
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    Anyone else been in the army where they use jp-8? I wonder if that’s any better. I read it’s a form of diesel but more like kerosene. We used to let our vehicles idle for hours on that stuff. I also remember standing behind the tanks in the full exhaust at the wash rack to warm up. I’m still here so I guess it wasn’t that bad.
     
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    This is my favorite "2022 Tundra" thread:burp:
     
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    Because apparently now it’s all about GM diesels?
     
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    It was all about Tacoma’s several pages back. At least people aren’t still posting that same fake tundra/titan rendering over and over. Not much to say about the 2022 tundra if there is no info other than speculation.
     
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    Exactly. No need for a 2nd thread of pure speculation. :thumbsup: I'd rather speculate about when this new true third gen will actually be released. On time or pushed back?
     
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    Lol, this list is crazy inaccurate.

    Rams ZF8 that they have been using since 2014 is probably the best transmission on the planet.

    GM’s AFM debacle which would eat camshafts / motors and transmissions (lost both at 60k on 2017 Tahoe) is what has killed them up until dropping AFM and introducing their 10 speed.

    Ford’s have a number of issues (as all trucks generally do), but would not put electronics as what they are notorious for.
     
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