2022 Tundra

2200 lbs of payload would be better.

 

Reliability is unknown at this point. When the 2014 4Runner was updated the 5th gen had already been out since 2010 and that 1GR-FE had been out since 2003. Reliability was already a known asset on the 4Runner. The Tundra, all together, is a new platform even if the powertrain has been used elsewhere. We won't know reliability for quite a few years. I actually like the current Tundra from a looks perspective but the payload numbers are just anemic and one of the reasons I won't get it. It doesn't have enough payload for me since I want to add a camper. I believe the CM TRD Off Road has a payload of 1,250lbs after correction on the yellow door jam sticker (correct me if I'm wrong). That's just pathetic and I'm hoping they improve on that number. Perhaps a majority of Tundra buyers might not care but personally for me it's the only thing that is preventing me from buying the current gen and why I'm hanging my hat for the next gen. If it has dramatically improved payload numbers I think I'm able to forgive the looks. Heck my 2nd gen Tacoma TRD-OR DCSB has a payload of 1,200lbs!!!

I agree. I was just being honest and modest with my numbers. I think 1,800 lbs should be a minimum but 2200 lbs would even be fantastic. Especially since Toyota has no desire to be in the HD game they need to step up the payload numbers with their 1/2 ton truck.

 

Nissan has/had an 8990 lbs GVWR on 6 lug axles.

those numbers are hardly competitive these days. Maybe if it was 1700 lbs payload in a fully loaded truck then yeah, that would be cool. But as it stands, its fairly easy to find n F150 or GM 1500 with 2000 lbs of payload if you dont get tons of options. A fully loaded F150 Lariat is around 1600 lbs and a full blown Platinum hybrid Powerboost is still ~1450.

 

Looks like a catfish! The tech is finally there, but I can't get over the exterior. Meh.

 

Yes, and the hardest of the haters own pretty new Tundras, so not the most likely buyers of the new one anyway. At least not if their claims of buying the current truck for long term reliability are true, after all they planned to keep their 2019+ Tundra for at least 10 more years. They have nothing to worry about, they’re in new reliable vetted trucks.

I don’t think any generation of Tundra is particularly good looking, the old ones are kind of ugly, the current trucks are very ugly, and the upcoming truck is also ugly. Are guys buying a tool, or a piece of art work? While the two are not mutually exclusive, it’s rare that a tool also has the aesthetic appeal of a work of art. When it does happen, for example by design with fine firearms, the price reflects that marriage of functional and artistic craftsmanship. Maybe some of our membership have the funds to commission bespoke coach built trucks on a Tundra frame? That would be cool, but beyond my means.

Then we have those who don’t like new tech, sorry guys the market has spoken and the vast majority of other consumers don’t agree. Toyota wants to make money, so they offer tech that more buyers want or demand. Plus put tech on that government mandates like back up cameras, emissions equipment, etc.

Lastly we have the crowd who should have moved on to 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks years ago, but their brand loyalty has clouded their judgement. Sorry guys and gals but Toyota has made it clear they aren’t going to play in that segment of the market. I wish they would, you wish they would, and lots of current 3/4 ton and 1 ton owners of other brands do too. If you’re wishing after full floating axles, 8 lug hubs, big payload numbers, big towing numbers, big diesel or gas engines, big beefy transmissions, and seriously capable cooling packages you are looking at the wrong truck. If you’re currently driving a modified Tundra with added leaf springs, air bags, and other equipment to try to increase payload and towing, you are probably better served to move on to a bigger truck. If you’re towing frequently you probably would be better served with a larger truck.

 

Problem with that is the reliability will be unknown for a few years. This could be 3rd gen Tacoma all over again and to add insult to injury your also driving an ugly truck.

 

Alright, alright...I know you've all been waiting for me to weigh in on the 2022.

It is as ugly as every other Toyota - including segment leaders like Camry, Tacoma, RAV, Highlander, and Corolla. Ugliness hasn't slowed down sales of any of these vehicles and it won't slow down sales of this ugly vehicle. Toyota will sell as many as they make.

Still glad I have a 2020 and won't be looking for a new vehicle until at least 2028. By then reliability should be well known.

 

I think every manufacture sells everyone they make? I'm guessing the more they make and sell the more profit so why don't they build as many as the domestics? The Tacoma is the best looking mid size to me but I never thought any gen tundra nailed it in the looks department.

 

Well...

Someday I might need a 3/4 ton and then it will probably be a GMC product. As it currently stands, I hate Fords because they are unneccesarily hard to work on, and Rams seem to universally have terrible transmissions and bodies that fall apart after around 60k miles. Not enthusiastic about GMC either but I hate them a little less. I still want a 70-series Land Cruiser but Toyota probably wouldn't make a lot of money selling them here, so they don't.

 

Honestly, to me, it looks like they are trying to tap into the Tacoma looks.

 

So you think the key to sales is just to make more? If you build them they will sell? Brilliant! No, there is a cap on how many vehicles will be sold and no manufacturer wants to build more vehicles than will be sold. It can also affect the price per unit if there is a glut of vehicles on the market. This is where you start giving incentives that result in sales but you are basically giving the vehicle away. All manufacturers keep a close eye on inventory and adjust production accordingly. If there is room to sell more and they have the manufacturing capacity I'm sure they ramp up production to meet demand.

 

If a manufacturer makes more vehicles than what can be sold, then they have to give incentives to get rid of the remaining vehicles at year end. That means they make less money off of more vehicles. Also less trucks produced helps keep resale value up.

 

….which has also grown to be quite ugly, lol.

You’re right though, they look a LOT like the Tacos.

 

Found these on another site.

 

So the latest pictures have me pissed. I can't believe we waited this long for this truck. I do like the look of the trd pro in white. But not a fan of the red interior. That grille on the limited looks like the cheapest plastic I have ever seen on a vehicle. And that giant screen, that I was hoping for looks like such an afterthought. The way it looks like it got trimmed after it wouldn't fit between the ugly air vents. It should have been or integrated into the dashboard so it looks like it belongs.
This is just my opinion, don't get mad if you actually like the looks of this new truck. They have to sell it to someone. I just don't know if it has real "world beating " specs It will be enough for me to buy one.

 

Hoping to see this red truck photoshopped with some common mods like we saw on the white TRD. As it sits now is uuuugly. Lots of new vehicle looks will grow on you in time and some look different in person vs photos, just a shame they couldn't make a better first impression.

 

When it comes time, maybe I will. Right now I haven't outgrown my Tundra but I anticipate that I might within the next 10 years. I looked at some of the importers but they are all charging 3-5x what I paid for my Tundra.

I tried to get a 3/4 ton but I needed a truck right now and so far am only towing around 6k lbs. The only 3/4 ton available in my price range was an F-250 with the infamous 5.4 triton. Meanwhile I found my current Tundra in decent shape mechanically for a reasonable price given the current market. So I'm going to do what I do with all my vehicles, keep it until I have too many jobs to do that it just can't handle.

Meanwhile, I'm going to keep whining about how Toyota has chosen not to serve HD truck buyers in the US. It makes total sense given they are a global company and HD pickups are kinda unique to the US, plus Ford/GM/RAM have large groups of loyal buyers. But I'm still going to complain about it.

 

You should offer these with the 5.7/6sp and a transmission cooler.

 

Did you have problems with your 3rd gen Tacoma? Mine worked as designed and the Tacoma beats the competition by a wide margin in sales. I think Toyota will be very happy if the Tundra has the same results.

 

I don't know why Toyota is staying out of HDs but ALL manufacturers are "global companies" and Toyota only sells the Tundra in NA so theoretically an HD version would be no different - the existing Tundra is "unique" to NA too.

 

I, for one, will never forgive them for spoiling an otherwise great V6 with plastic cooling system parts.

 

I believe it is all money based. It takes a lot of time and money to make a HD truck. The HD market is not as large as the half ton market, so if they spent all of that money and time to only get a similar size of the market that they do with the half tons. It would take forever to just break even. Plus most of the buyers of the HD truck would be possible buyers of their half tons.

 

Without any special knowledge about Toyota's decisions on my part, I agree - my point was it's not like any of these companies are selling 1/2, 3/4, and 1-ton in other markets outside of NA - all 1/2, 3/4, and 1-ton pickups are specific to NA.

 

It will carry over to the new model. The whole rear window roll down is only for the crew max. The small window is for the double cab. This is the current set up too.

 

Almost. Besides a handful of north American countries it's also sold in Panama, Bolivia, and Chile.

The way I see it is, Toyota makes most of their money from, and has most of their attention on the global market. The USA is important, but not definitive for them. Meanwhile, they can dig into their parts bin and slap together an almost-adequate 1/2-ton Tundra out of primarily LC200 and LC Prado components without inventing or too much new stuff, just by pushing it closer to the limit. If they were to make an HD truck they would have to re-engineer lots of stuff from the ground up to make a bigger LC70. This would mean lots of money put into components that would only be useful selling vehicles in one market. Let's not even get into Diesel emissions testing.

 

Reliability is key of course along with powertrain and drivetrain. Looks aren't everything but if these pics are legit, and they seem to be, this new Tundra is fugly. Aztec fugly. There's not ugly, kind of ugly, ugly, fairly ugly, real ugly, and fugly. I'm going with fugly. The front design leaves a lot to be desired but wouldn't prevent me from buying it. The rear? Holy shit it's bad.Sorry, but that would never ever grow on me. It looks totally impractical and disfigured. As mentioned it looks like the screen was added at the last minute as an afterthought. Can't comment on reliability yet, or drivetrain/powertrain which would be pure speculation. The appearance of this new Tundra reminds me when I saw the new Aztec at a Festival in LA years ago. The vast majority of comments overheard heard were, "this is ugly, who designed this? , what is this?, why?, oh my god!". And yet, a few folks would walk up and say "kuul", or "I want one." All Yota needs is enough of those latter folks to buy this new generation Tundra. There will be of course no matter how good or bad it is.

 

The dash buttons aren’t really made for work truck purposes anymore it seems. Is there a 4H/4L dial?

 

Not horrendous, looking to me. It is quite a difference that what we're used to, and that will take time. The new HD front end of Chevy looked bad till you saw it in person, and then not so bad. Also other colors might look better with the new body lines.

Like most say on here reliability beats looks, I'm just grateful my wife feels that way too