2022 Tundra

I was just kidding, but good news!

 

Ram one creates more console space - would be revolutionary if the column shifter didn't do the dame thing...

And Ford's fold down shifter - you know what allows for that fold flat but doesn't take any extra components? Column shift

Why can't half tons have column shifts standard like HD trucks? So much more practical.

 

You'd be surprised my perspective when I made that comment. I was raised by a single mom who obtained a college degree while raising me, and my wife is fairly high up in a major corporation we all know well, and she makes more than me.

Doesn't change the facts about the development of the Gen 2 Titan, a woman was likely hired to lead the design team, not based on merit but based on a diversity need internally at Nissan USA.

We can argue about how insensitive or biased I am all day long, I'll just point you to the sales figures and the fact Nissan pulled the Titan from Canada. And strong rumors that the Titan is soon to be discontinued altogether.
Was it a woman's fault? Could've been that dastardly Ghost whose been gutting Nissan since the late 90's.

Whatever, Nissan didn't take that vehicle seriously and I stand by my observation.

 

Ripping off design cues from Ford.

Greenlighting the ugly face of the truck.

Again, it's more to do with she was likely not the best person for the job, not because of her chromosomes or gender. She was definitely a diversity promotion

 

You said you would probably not buy if there were no AutoAWD. I mean I use my 4WD now so it is not that I do not see use for it but I am not sure what advantage AutoAWD brings really? I press one button once to turn on my 4WD and again to turn it off so I was wondering what the AutoAWD really brings to the table?

 

I live in an area where we get patchy icing. It also rains a lot, and the road conditions and traffic patterns are just generally horrible here.

On patchy ice days, I don't like using 4WD because one moment you are on slick pavement, the next you've forgotten 4WD is engaged and you're trying to make a tight turn on dry pavement.

On rainy days, it is very difficult to make left turn across heavy incoming traffic, you gotta be very careful to not overdo it or the rear end will swing around. We have very challenging traffic, that example is the challenge I face trying to turn out of my side street onto a non-signalized 2 line highway when ferry traffic is peaking, we have 30 minute ferry sailings, so traffic has inbound and outbound peaks every 30 minutes. It's not that I'm rushing things, it's that AWD would make it so I don't need to be so overly careful, too much accelerator whilst making a tight left turn, it gets crazy very easy.

I run winter tires on my truck and my Q60 AWD, I intentionally bought my Q60 in AWD and put winter tires on it because it is so much more confident than having a 2WD vehicle even with winter tires. I've driven lots of different vehicles here and the AWD versions are worth gold to me 6 months a year.

Of course, I survived in my previous 2WD vehicles, but I'm willing to pay more.

Why Nissan and Toyota resist AWD on their trucks makes no sense to me. The Armada, built on a Titan chassis and drivetrain has AWD. Why give it to the SUV but not the truck?

 

I love the torsen in the 5th gen 4 runner. As mentioned it's great when the streets are wet and you have to accelerate quickly. Have never spun a tire. I do it all the time (unintentionally) in my wife's 2wd car. It just feels more "sure footed" than anything I've driven before. No ice in Florida, but I imagine it would be good for that too. Would love to see it in the 22

 

As of 2022, I don't think there will be a truck on the market that everyone thinks looks good. I can also kind of see what they were going for with the front end. I honestly think they were trying to go for "big rig" inspired styling, kind of like Dodge did in the 90s, though Nissan obviously went about it differently.

 

For me it's the ability to get going in the winter without losing traction while also being able to go around corners that aren't glare ice without binding.

 

I have HLSD in my truck, and a fairly stout V8. I believe HLSD and Torsen are very similar if not the same in operation.
In a heavy, V6 powered SUV, in Florida, it may seem nice.
Put a V8 in that ride with the Torsen, take a quick, tight turn and goose the gas a bit, the rear diff locks up and flings the back end around. It will also do it (if you have the power and poor traction weather) on a crowned road....too much gas and the back end will slide towards the gutter.
In some ways, open diffs can be a bit safer.
On a dry day, the HLSD in my truck really helps put the power down in almost all situations. Just don't add water!

 

BTW I'm not saying I'd "never" buy a Tundra if those features aren't offered, I just won't be motivated to move on to a different truck when my current one runs just fine, is reliable and has basically the same abilities. If my current truck died, yeah I'd probably buy a Tundra without those features, but if they offer them for 2022, I'll upgrade to the Tundra to get them, it bugs me my current truck doesn't have it.

 

That makes sense. Where I live we get snow but not Denver snow so I do use 4WD and I use it when it is raining too because there is the grade near my house where there is the funky incline with a light at the top. If I have to stop for that light my tires will slip if I do not use the 4WD. I just kind of though most trucks were 4WD instead of AWD for better off road control. My concern is I really do not want it to make a choice I am not in control of but I guess AWD is mature enough to not have that problem because I never hear about problems with it.

 

Most trucks and body on frame SUVs that have AWD also have good 'ol 4Hi and 4LO included.
My truck I need to "unload" the drivetrain for 4WD to disengage, either by coasting down a hill or going into neutral, the 4WD can stay engaged after I switch it (electronic actuator) until the gears unload. Not sure if Toyotas or others are the same, so that also makes me hesitant to use 4WD on paved streets, it won't quickly disengage even if I was paying attention.

 

The big grill look is not restricted to trucks. Lexus sedans look goofy with the big grills IMO. I wonder if it might also be a way to reduce weight.

 

It's about reliability - AWD switching while load is on the transfer case is not good. So there's a trade off there - get more computers involved to have it engage when needed or keep the old reliable simpler system for their 'working' vehicles.

 

It's not "AWD switching". Don't conflate 4WD with AWD. There's no trade-off for a selectable AWD system, at least not in the Nissan/Infiniti vehicles I have been around.

Could you cite a case where AWD is unreliable in Japanese vehicles?

 

Because most people don't like them and therefore they'd sell less trucks.

There are always a few guys barking for roll down windows too, yet we can't get them either. Making what most people want to buy is a strange concept I know.

 

I have a 2017 crew max and love it,not sure if turbo's are going to last 200,000 miles or more.Normally asperated will for sure so Im keeping mine

 

You are the first person to say anything about disliking them to me. Had a few say they prefer console shift it to rest their hand on it. The Toyota column shifter could use some styling tweaks, but for practicality you can't beat the column shifter - more console space and no dash space taken up

 

So you want full time AWD? That's a different kettle of fish than the typical part time systems. I'm not sure what the ones you referenced have, but many CUV's that are AWD will be FWD over a certain speed (60 km/h for Hyundai Tucson). And the AWD system in GM trucks isn't full time either, it's RWD until it detects slip then it engages the front drive.

There's not many problems for how many have it, but I get it from a manufacturers viewpoint - the old selectable 4WD is simpler and cheaper. To me it's a more components for not much gain.

 

Fairly certain I looked at a 1/2 ton Silverado when I was shopping for the 2019 that had a column shifter.

 

The vast majority of trucks are sold with console shifters. If consumers preferred column shifters they'd make more of them that way. Manufacturers make what sells so it stands to reason that the vast majority prefer them on the console.

It's not like column shifters are new, pretty much all vehicles had them on the column until modern times. I started out driving with a "three on the tree" in a 1964 Ford Fairlane. Manufacturers moved away from them because buyers preferred the console.

 

I learned how to drive on an old Chevy truck with the three on the tree, loved that truck.

 

If it was a manual transmission I'd want it on the floor. But, for interior space, more practical interior I'd like to have a column shifter.

 

No. I want the selectable 2HI/AutoAWD/4HI/4LO like is available on many domestics and Nissan RWD-based SUVs.

The best system I had was in my 2002 Infiniti QX4. It was a smorgasbord of drive choices. I think GM and Ford systems are similar. Don't know if they are reliable, but the Nissan/Infiniti system is reliable.

 

Lots of low level F150's get column shifters, and IIRC all GM's are still column shifters like it should be.

 

I want strait up full time AWD on a Torsen center diff with a high and low range, like a Land Cruiser. There is no need for other complications beyond that for the 4WD/AWD system. It’s superior to any part time selectable/auto systems. I simply request the option of lockers on diff, and the axles as well.

 

Toyota Torsen is a great and long time proven system. Tundra should have had it long ago. This 2019 Sequoia has it and that was a major point when buying.

 

For some reason once you option in bucket seats in the front you get a console shifter. My very first tundra had the column shifter and I didn't mind it. I believe you can still get a bench seat in the front with a base tundra

 

My buddy bought a new ram big horn, he loves it. I rode in it a few times, and I will say that it is very comfortable and the high definition back up camera was by far the best I have seen out of any new pickup.
Now that I don't put on as many miles as I used to, I will consider going with a ram if the new tundra disappoints