2022 Tundra

Thanks for the info. I must have missed the cruise control part in the manual. I wish you could permanently kill the pre-collision system but it just restarts every time you start the truck.

 

Archates powers put an opposed piston diesel in an f150. I feel like if manufactures made it a goal, they could figure out the diesel emissions issues. And yes toyota did file a patent for what people believe to be a ducted fuel injection system.

"Coal rollers" and poorly tuned and/or maintenanced diesel blowing smoke everywhere didnt help the diesels chances in the states either. The general public will always relate diesel = dirty

 

The general public has no say in what the EPA does. Hard to say more than that without risking a ban hammer on my head, but implying that the general public gutted the diesel is silly.

 

They didn't help the cause is all im saying.

 

Sure you are...go blow that smoke up someone else's ass!

 

WTF crawled up your ass? I'm not lying. My work situation is changing so I don't have to drive as much. Why would I continue to pay a new truck payment for something that will only get driven a few miles a week. I've only purchased new trucks for years because I drive so much for work. I like the Tundra as a whole but don't need brand new.

 

I haven't been around here long as a member, but I was lurking for a while before that... I have noticed some people around here have the mentality that if they wouldn't do it, or don't want something than that means that everyone else feels/should feel the same way...

 

Well hell... there go my plans for getting a new F-150. Might as well just wait for the 2022 Tundra now

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I'm trying to figure out why Toyota would put anything with that significant of a power increase in the basic bread-and-butter half ton truck? Maybe if they chose to make a limited run model to take on Dodge/Jeep/RAM and their drunken obsession with stuffing Hellcat Hemi's in the entire lineup, but that seems outside of Toyota's playbook. Or maybe if they were to launch a heavy duty truck line that would actually tow/haul more than the average American family and their picnic gear for the lake. Otherwise, if the new Tundra is just another half ton the power in the current model is more than sufficient for 90% of the buyers and their use of this vehicle. I'm not one to ever turn down more power, but the financial case to develop 700tq for a half ton truck with similar, or even slightly better capability doesn't seem plausible to me. Maybe, if we're lucky, 450ish hp and 475ish tq. I don't see (and I could be wrong) a power increase more significant than that for the mass produced models - and I think my numbers are generous. Again, unless they apply to a LE model or HD lineup. I guess we'll eventually find out. Someday. Maybe?

 

New Toyota USA video on Forced Induction. Not that it means anything.

 

Bummer news here about NY Auto show being cancelled. I can't help but think Toyota was going to reveal the 2022 Tundra here.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37223159/new-york-auto-show-canceled/

Doesn't mean that Toyota couldn't just release the details now instead of waiting a couple more weeks!!!

 

They showed a 2.0L forced induction engine equating to a 4.0L naturally aspirated engine.

2.0L 4 banger in the 6th gen 4runner confirmed /s

 

We have been keeping track of derailments on an industry professional forum, and the last few years there seems to be an increase in derailment incidents. Particularly on roads that have adopted E. Hunter Harrison’s “Precision Scheduled Railroading” aka squeeze blood from a stone theory of operations where you:

1.) Try to run giant trains to reduce crew starts. These end up being very difficult to manage buff and draft forces because of the excessive length. Don’t fit in sidings. Block public crossings at grade. Plus they generally don’t make it from A to B without needing to be relieved en route because they’re so damn slow. Plus they break a lot from excessive draft forces. Excessive buff forces on a train like the one in the article with lots of cushioned draw bars will pop a rail car right off the rails, causing a derailment.

2.) Don’t maintain anything unless absolutely necessary. This way the Railroad can furlough a bunch of maintenance employees be they track or mechanical. Who cares about safety? Operating ratio is everything! So the track is in poor shape, and so is the rolling stock. What causes derailments? Train handling errors, track failures, and equipment failures. Taking away all the margin for error in inspections of equipment and track, and then running giant trains that handle like shit = derailments.

3.) Run off small customers and stick it up the asses of your remaining customers. I won’t get into the weeds too much on demurrage charges, poor pulling and spotting, fuel surcharges and other shady business practices. Just be aware that RR’s love screwing their customers.

4.) Run your employees until they’re exhausted and treat them like garbage. Who cares if your train crews haven’t had a proper sleep cycle in a week? Screw those peasants, when they get in have a Trainmaster tell them they’re shit bags, download their tapes, find some nit picky shit wrong, and make them wait for a drug test! Your investigation notice will be in the mail!

So remember boys and girls, the next time you see a freight train roll through your town with a bunch of hazardous materials, inhalation hazard poisonous gas cars, flammable loads, oxidizers and other fun stuff that:

1.) The crew running it is probably exhausted, and pissed off because it’s too big and it’s tough to deal with.

2.) The Railroad has done the bare minimum or less maintaining all the equipment.

3.) The executive leadership of said Railroad doesn’t give a rat’s ass if the crew or public gets hurt or killed. All they’re worried about is their operating ratio, their executive bonus package, and their ability to avoid legal liability when someone does get hurt or killed.

 

You can bet Ford will bring in a bunch of shoeless kids from India to get the chips out of the wreckage

 

Nope.

Liability lawyers will not allow it. A few years ago a yard crew doing block swaps managed to pop a couple of auto racks off the rail, one of them toppled over but the other two more or less stayed upright. Didn’t matter. Every single Super Duty and Navigator was unloaded via chain and bulldozer dragging them out, written off, and scrapped. Most of the damage to these was done getting them out of the rail cars. It was quite the show.

 

They won’t! Toyota is a very business minded organization and does not make decisions based on emotion or a small groups wants and desires.

Toyota has one Tundra plant that sells just over 100k trucks. half that of the Tacoma and a mere fraction of the domestics. If done right, a diesel truck is a different beast. From a basic business model Toyota will NOT risk a Tundra diesel. Just look how well that served Nissan.

 

I imagine a diesel Toyota would be more reliable than a Renault with a brand new Cummins engine.

 

I don't care if the 1/2 ton segment gets a diesel. I wouldn't buy it. I am just curious why Yota released the video and if they are jumping into the 3/4 or 1 ton segment.

Unlikely I know. But if they did.... I think I'd trade mine in for a 3/4 ton Tundra.

 

I hope not, seen rumors of this lately though.

I highly doubt Toyota is going to get into the HD game. The big 3 have entirely different plants for the hd trucks, Toyota still just has 1 plant for the tundra.

 

If that is true hard pass from me on a new 4Runner. I’ll just step up to the next Lexus GX instead which will get a real engine in it.

 

I agree with you, I bought my wife a 21' 4runner back in March. I didn't want to take a risk on what the new one was going to be and she has always liked the 5th gens anyways.

 

That and why would they tease the Tundra crowd (who are either happy with or want to buy a 1/2 ton truck for the most part) with an HD offering? They would target the HD pickup buyers and they wouldn't wait either because those buyers aren't waiting, they're busy buying Ford, Ram and Chevy 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

 

Toyota offering a diesel and/or a bigger than half-ton would be following the failed footsteps of Nissan.
Pretty sure Toyota never follows Nissan, at least not the last 3 decades.
They probably look to Nissan for what not to do.

 

Nissan’s failure isn’t that they dared to offer a truck larger than a 1/2 ton.

Their failure was offering the Titan XD as they did:

1.) The Titan XD was ridiculously heavy for the payload and towing it offered. Weighs the same as a 3/4 ton from GM, Ford, or Ram but has less capabilities.

2.) Then Nissan gets the bright idea to use an unproven 5.0L Cummins V8 that was originally developed in 2007-2008 for Dodge to put in a 1/2 ton. It made power appropriate for a 1/2 ton, not a quasi 3/4 ton. Then to top it off it wasn’t reliable.

Alternatively you could get a 5.6L DOHC which is good in a 1/2 ton, not so much in a 7000+lb truck.

Meanwhile the competition in the larger than 1/2 ton segment offers 400+HP, 900lb-ft+ diesels, or big V8’s in front of heavy duty transmissions, putting that power to big axles.

If Nissan or Toyota (particularly Toyota) decided to stop mucking around and build a proper HD truck I think they could be successful. Toyota has experience with Hino in making vocational trucks, frames, axles, and engines.

Were I Mike Sweers and Toyota gave matching orders to build an HD Tundra I would:

1.) Skip the 3/4 ton, and offer a 1 ton to start with. Offer both double cab and crew max cabs with 6.5’ or 8’ beds. Single or dual rear wheel. This would simplify production a bit for frames, springs, axles etc.

2.) Base engine to be a large naturally aspirated DOHC V8 gasoline engine with VVTi and D4s injection. No screwing around; make it 7.0-7.5L in displacement on a compacted graphite iron block. Forged rotating assembly. Figure redline at 5500 RPM but no need to rev that high, peak power at around 5,000 RPM of 500HP. Peak torque of 550lb-ft at around 3,000 RPM. Make it easy to service, and made to work.

3.) Optional turbo diesel. In-line 6, 7.2L displacement, compacted graphite iron block. DOHC with VVTi to make the power band as wide as possible, ducted injection. Forged steel pistons, on forged rods, and crank. Sequential twin turbos similar to the new F33A-FTS just larger. Target power 525HP and 1100lb-ft. Make an integrated exhaust brake.

4.) Heavy duty 10 speed automatic transmission with a large pan to hold lots of fluid, and a large dedicated transmission cooler.

5.) Big ass live axles on both ends, make the front axle a bigger version of the Hilux/LC 70 style that is basically indestructible. Axle ratio 4.10:1 no need for 4 different ratios when you have a 10 speed up front. Offer lockers on both front and rear.

6.) Offer an optional hybrid for both engine choices replacing the torque converter with a large electric motor to boost power and help with fuel consumption. As an added bonus regenerative braking could assist engine braking.

That would be a competitive HD truck unlike the Titan XD. It will never happen though, just some mental masturbation.

 

I had an E series about a decade ago. Most of the motor is in the cab. There's a couple latches on the center console, remove it and there's your motor. Super loud and super hot in that thing

 

Nissan thought they could do the "XD" thing because they did kill it with the Gen 1 Titan in 2004. They were wrong in 2015, for a myriad of reasons. But, for a company that never even "dabbled" in a full size, the 2004 Titan was way more of a game changer than the 2007 Tundra, and I think they incorrectly thought they could re-bottle that magic.

Toyota is way more cautious, first a T100, then the 1 Gen Tundra which was barely a half-ton. Toyota didn't take the 1/2 ton formula seriously until 2007, their 3rd go at it.
I would be shocked if Toyota not only tried the "super duty" class of trucks, but skipped 3/4 ton and go straight to 1 ton. Like you said, just basically brain skeet.

 

We had E150s at work for the longest time. Miserable to drive. But dead reliable, of all the Fords we have had, I don't think any of them had a single issue in any way, and we had them for at least 7 years.

 

You mean with the exception of the drivers door skin that inevitably separated and tore up the fender.

 

I guess we didn't have 'em long enough for that to happen.