2022 Tundra

I think I understand your position. From my perspective, I used to trade vehicles more frequently. Then one day I got to a point where I was driving stuff that was generally pretty nice, and the allure of something newer just for the sake of being newer has worn off. Maybe you are in the same spot, let me explain further.

Taking the Tundra as an example, I bought a limited double cab 4X4 with the 5.7L 3UR-FE in December of 2007 after a lot of research. This was far more truck than I needed at the time capacity wise with just a Wife and a dog. Didn’t even own my own home yet, just made a career change. I had gone from living in Springfield, MO where I was selling cars (Toyota, Lexus, and BMW is what the dealership had at that time), to working as a railroad conductor in freight service in the Black Hills of South Dakota.

When I was in the car business for a few years after getting out of the Marine Corps after a tour of Iraq, I was in my mid 20’s. I liked cars a lot. So I traded frequently, but never in that class of cars where you’re satisfied. Always something faster or nicer, or both for just a bit more money. As my income allowed I would step up.

Then I made the career and location change. Work on call 24/7 weather be damned. South Dakota is not super concerned with snow removal even today, 14 years ago they were less concerned. Plus I enjoyed hunting, and shooting sports. Locations to do either were more remote than I had previously had to contend with. After awhile I decided the Subaru Legacy 2.5GT I was driving just didn’t have the ground clearance I needed. Got sick of scraping the underside of the car on Forrest service roads. So I did my research and bought a Tundra.

I am a car guy at heart, trucks are tools, so this affects my view of trucks. The Tundra never gave me any reason to get rid of it, so I just continue to drive it. No other trucks that have come on the market since offer me enough significant advantages in driving enjoyment (they all suck ass to drive compared to a sport sedan for example), capacity, reliability, durability, power, operating costs, etc to overcome the paid off serviceable truck I already have. So I just keep driving it.

The newest car I own is 6 years old, it is a 2015 Chevrolet SS. Again I’ve gotten into a category of vehicle that can’t be improved upon with just a bit more $$$ to trade up to. Find me a new 4 door sedan with over 415hp, over 415lb-ft of torque, magnetic ride control, Brembo brakes, forged aluminum wheels, leather, nav, HUD, RWD, heated and cooled seats, a decent stereo, a large enough trunk for a trip, a back seat with space for real adults, and less than 4000lb curb weight. Go ahead I’ll wait. OK you found some stuff. Cool. Does it cost only a bit more than $46K? Didn’t think so. In order to get that kind of combination of space, pace, and graceful handling I’m deep into an $80K+ sport sedan. Big step up in price. So the SS stays with us.

The new 2022 Tundra, especially the hybrid has a strong chance of luring me back into the market by offering new tech, power, and reduced fuel costs, while offering Toyota reliability and durability. The thing is the new features must be present, otherwise a simple truck with old tech and better mileage doesn’t make a compelling case for me.

 

I am driving a 2001 Tundra that I bought new and you asked me how I can be INTERESTED in the 2022 Tundra? LOL Then you doubled down and said nothing is on paper on a truck that is set to release before the end of the year after being designed for who knows how long? I am interested in the 2022 because I am driving a 2001 Tundra that I have literally been trying to kill for over 5 years and because I like a lot of the news I have heard about the 2022 Tundra so far. If you do not understand that people can be interested in the 2022 Tundra I do not know what to tell you but you do you some you.

 

What about a diesel that does NOT require DEF? Is that what will blow away the competition?

 

In order to make a diesel that in a 1/2 ton that would be worth considering it needs to not only need no DEF tank/injection but also have significantly improved DPF or better yet no need for a DPF. That will be very difficult I think, and the fueling strategy to make it possible would likely result in infuriating throttle response.

 

Yes until they're caught by the EPA or other governing bodies for cheating the test procedures, like VW did.

 

You replied to my reply from them which directly questioned my interest and then you doubled asking if anything about the 2022 Tundra is on paper. Do you not know how the world works? Do you think they just throw a 2022 vehicle out there without any design phase or safety testing? LOL

 

Here we go...

 

I mean if anyone is going to start questioning interest in a product on a forum specifically for that product I am not sure what the eff is going on.

 

Just trying to cut the tension so that we can all get back to wishing, prognosticating and complaining about the 2022 Tundra in this vacuum of information.

 

And I am just interested in that information as well not taking some Toyota Youth Oath of Loyalty for people that do not understand how forums work.

 

Is an auto maker allowed to troll their consumer base? I feel like this entire release has been one long running pause for dramatic effect... And now that video release about diesel.

 

Maybe... let's do the math real quick.

Today 07/26/2021 national average gas price per a Google search is $3.156/gallon for standard 87 Octane, for premium 91 Octane it is $3.780/gallon; a difference of $.624/gallon or a 20% increase in cost. I am not going to use anecdotal fuel economy numbers for comparative purposes because everyone's driving style, and other variable are different so we are stuck with the imperfect EPA ratings that follow their testing procedures. We will use the current Tundra with the 3UR-FE and the closest approximation of a twin turbo V6 in a 1/2 ton displacing 3.5L which is the current Ford F-150 3.5L EcoBoost. The current Tundra is supposedly able to achieve 13/17MPG (city/highway), where the current F-150 4X4 with a 3.5L EcoBoost supposedly achieves 18/23/20 (city/highway/combined). Do either truck hit these numbers on a regular basis with a real human driver? Unlikely, but this is what is possible with either if you really want to conserve fuel and I expect with cruise control on the highway the Ford is going to return pretty close to that number in stock form if you live in a state with a 70MPH speed limit and actually drive the speed limit.... as if anyone actually does.

So using the imperfect EPA numbers to go 1000 miles of city driving the current Tundra will burn 76.92 gallons of fuel costing $242.76. 1000 highway miles will need 58.82 gallons costing $185.64. I didn't see a combined number on Toyota's site so we can just average them to 15MPG and 1000 miles of combined 50/50 driving would need 66.67 gallons of fuel for a cost of $210.41. Again this is based on the national average cost of 87 Octane on today's date of 07/26/2021.

Using the Ford and assigning use of premium 91 Octane (not sure if Ford requires 91 Octane to achieve listed power and fuel economy ratings) as a stand in for a new V35A-FTS equipped Tundra we get the following: 1000 miles of city driving will take 55.56 gallons for a cost of $210.02 based on the national average cost of 91 Octane; this is a savings of $32.74/1000 miles of city driving. 1000 miles of highway driving will require 43.48 gallons, at a cost of $164.35; saving $21.29/1000 miles of highway driving. 1000 miles of combined city/highway will burn 50 gallons of fuel, costing $189.00; a savings of $21.41/1000 miles of use.

Are these ground breaking improvements in lowering operating costs? No, not really. That said even burning premium fuel, you will still save money assuming the 2022 Tundra comes in around the same economy numbers.

 

Well to be fair the Tundra doesn't get close to it's rated fuel economy either. I have 140K miles of use on mine and it has rarely ever seen 17MPG on the highway. More like 15MPG. Town is even worse, so bad that I just ignore it and am thankful I don't have much in town driving.

 

Next pic released will be a continuation of the trolling. Bet it ties somehow vaguely to that diesel video.

 

Nah, they will troll us with an exhaust tip photo of a plain old tip on a mandrel bent tube as suggested by Tilly, or maybe a close up of a door handle.

 

I have noticed in the past few months that diesel is basically the same price as unleaded now vs the $1 higher it’s been for 15-20 years

 

It's definitely strange. Looks like that virtual showroom the engine is in has a 4R, RAV4, Avalon and a Prius...you know...just the background for showing how an engine works that's not sold anywhere near here.

Seems kind of like a troll move. The YouTube comments sections is hilariously like 90% people ranting about a diesel option for NA. Maybe it will turn out to be purely educational...but surely Toyota USA marketing isn't that dense.

They might as well start making videos on how jet engines work so that we can speculate about a flying Tundra. Not hard to be a world beater when you can fly.

 

LOL, a turboshaft powered Tundra hybrid.

What would blow us away though. Like literally.

 

I have no idea why Toyota USA would put this video out if they end up not bringing a diesel to the US

 

Well maybe as an educational video to dissuade people from pumping diesel into their gasoline tanks? Beats me.

 

I did a similar analysis and came to the same conclusion. Roughly the same or less cost. And slightly better payload because of requiring less fuel onboard (maybe with a smaller tank) to go the same distance.

 

I hope they don’t reduce fuel tank capacity. There are payload gains to be made elsewhere.

 

Diesel exhaust brake is pretty nice I have had numerous opportunities to experience it with the big 3 and its a very nice feature to have towing down hill.

 

I have no idea of the meaning of the diesel video but I know there are a fair amount of people in America that have been asking for the Hilux and the more I think about it I would not mind an upscaled Hilux. The only problem I have is diesel costs more than regular where I live but I think I can live with that.

 

It’s entirely possible….this article came out almost 2 years ago and Toyota is quoted in it so they’ve at least dabbled with the concept.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-diesel-finally-come-clean/

 

I beg to differ, I think the Tundra gets the closest to the actual numbers. My Tundra has a lifetime average of 18.2. So let’s say the calculations are off and subtract 1 mpg…I will then be at 17.2 with is perfect according to the sticker. I don’t idle or sit for more than 30 seconds to warm up or cool off. I have easily gotten 18 on a nice highway stretch doing about 60 to 70 mph.

I feel the Tundra is the most accurate…

 

Have you logged extensive miles on a Ford F-150 Eco Boost to compare? The EPA has.

I will have to side with the source of information that actually had the most data compiled. You are not it.

Out of curiosity who actually drives 60 MPH on the highway? Do you enjoy obstructing traffic or something? Or is New York one of those hellholes with low speed limits? Interstates in South Dakota are 80MPH posted, flow of traffic about 85 MPH. Tundra is lucky to pull 13-14MPG highway for me on I-90. Even two lanes are 65 MPH and flow of traffic is 70-75.

 

Fair enough.

 

I did a ton of research, hours of reading on F150 forums, Fuelly, and similar sources. I spoke with a neighbor who owns one for personal and I used a family friends 3.5 work truck. There was plenty of power but the mpg’s were there. My cousin owns a 5.0 coyote which was closet to the mpg rating…so to answer your question YES I did research more than the average buyer. After my research I was only willing to buy a 5.0…

In regards to 60mph the roads are generally slower because their tighter in NY until you get upstate.

Your a funny guy…your complaining about gas mileage but yet 85 is the average speed where you live. WTF you except doing 85 in a 6k vehicle that’s the size of a small house? Are there no right lanes in Coal Dragger Land?

 

I drove 55mph still only getting 15 mpg