2022 Tundra

Tractor Toyota you say?
My 1976 FJ 40 was pretty much just that, With better seating.

 

Well allow me to share some things I don’t like about my Tundra, after 140K miles:

1.) The fuel tank is too damn small.

2.) The ride is atrocious for something that isn’t a 3/4 ton.

3.) The interior technology is basically Stone Age compared to current offerings.

4.) Fuel economy is not exactly stellar.

5.) Interior refinement is lacking, particularly road and wind noise.

6.) Steering is both heavy, and completely lacking in feel or feedback.

7.) The tuning of the engine and transmission seems to limit power at lower speeds and lower gears. This is annoying. Plus the transmission seems to loathe downshifting to get with the damn program.

8.) The non boxed frame jiggles and bounces on certain roads at certain speeds.

9.) The truck is really really prone to steering vibrations and it’s picky about tires.

That said in 2007 it was better than anything else. But that ship sailed years ago. As noted most of you don’t keep your trucks as long as I have, so buying for long term reliability that you don’t actually utilize is a false argument. I will grant the reliability results in better resale value.

So for the 2022 I want to see all of my “issues” addressed while offering best in class power, fuel economy, acceleration, braking, and towing/hauling. Along with the tremendous reliability I have enjoyed and will actually utilize long term.

 

Plenary of 2007 Tundras driving around. They may be basic and simple interior…. Yet that’s a good thing in a way. Simply Less is more in the long run. My 2007 Tundra is Fine and has no issues to mention. I don’t need the latest greatest gadgets or Interior that cost $20k more…..

I prefer Reliability, then a bit of Reliability, followed by more Reliability and then a Abundant amount of , Yes -You guessed it… Reliability. In that Chronological order.

 

There are about 90,000 others buying trucks every year just like you.

 

Can we go back to talking about the 2022 Tundra and how much it's going to suck/be awesome? If I wanted to hear more about the other shit brands, I would've joined those forums and circlejerked there.

 

I’ll take a swing, what the hell.

storage, functional interior , interior materials that are in line with the price point for the top trims( my platinum is not)

everyone can haul and tow as far as realistic 1/2 ton duties are concerned, which we won’t even mention the payload and towing is better on most of those of the others as well at this point.

a real locker or lsd rear , keep the brake a-lsd deal, it blows.

remote start that doesn’t shut the damn thing off when you open the door.

At this point if I’m going to get 11-12mpg then I want more than 381/401, or up both.

a stereo that doesn’t suck a dick a mile long

ride quality that isn’t like a HD truck while the other ride way better and have more hauling and towing.

I think Toyota will address these soon, but let’s not pretend the tundra isn’t behind I mean it’s 14 years old.

yes it is the most reliable everyone understands that , but as we head to 50-60k and behind we need both !

i think they will do it, I’m feeling positive at the moment lol.

 

I’m playing with you good folks. While I really don’t understand buying a tundra after about 2015 or so, I may join you in ‘23. It’s all in good fun.

However, there are a great number of people here allowing Ford to live in their head rent free.

 

awesome!!

We’re just sitting around the campfire drinking beer talking trucks while we wait for Toyota to show us the goods!!

We need some actual info to get truly on topic

 

Not my intention. I actually enjoy their point of view. In my personal opinion, it just felt like people were getting too emotional and stopped being objective or staying on topic for what the thread is about.

Trust me, I love my Tundra and won't get rid of it but I'll be one of the people who will find another brand if I found something better. Everyone's criteria out of a truck has varied so much, there's no pleasing a majority of people. All major brands cater to the lowest denominator, even Toyota.

So, I'm curious to see what 2022 brings.

 

I really do Think Tundra will bring a Go od deal to the table. And this is why……..

I say, This in my opinion- Let’s go back a bit in time and look at 2005. Other Truck companies are starting to get geared up and trucks are no longer at farms, going hunting or hauling work only items. People are buying nicer and Nicer! Trucks each year as Primary vehicles. Each company started to make better trucks and more plush interiors , soon it was to be a 4x4 Caddy! -
Yet what I’m getting at is Toyota brought out the true nature of what makes Today who they are…. and they did in a big way. They offered Reg cab, extended and crew sized 5.7 bad ass Reliable vehicles that had nice enough interiors, towed a Space ship!!!! And Did it all with unquestionably excellent reliability….. So much so, they didn’t change much for a long long time- Compared to others.
Fast Forward to the 2021 day we are in now- And What are we discussing? How Toyota, The Heartbeat of Japan is Years behind with maybe?!? a chance to get Back on track. The leaders in automotive manufacturing know they have Carved a path for themselves- The Truck market is booming and we are thinking “Maybe they will offer something different than others” ?

In the Days of Past, the seas separated- Many seen the truth and then worship of false idols transpired.

Oh ye of Little ….

Fanboy - Out

 

You can't really complain about 2007 Toyota lacking things that the 2021 has now. And tbh, coming from a 2014 F150 I haven't found the ride worse, the economy worse, the interior is nicer, the stereo is at least par if not better. Some of you are going to be disappointed if you ever do make a change because the grass isn't greener. So far, miss the completely flat rear floor but would gladly trade it for the rear window that goes all the way down. Loaded domestics aren't giving you a ton more payload either.

 

Way off track guys, now I have this video that might be interesting publish in early 2019 but Toyota already lock in powertrains by then and already testing. I see maybe a new V8 possibly..

"2021 Toyota Tundra - What to Expect" https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2019/02/2021-toyota-tundra-what-to-expect/

 

Crack me up!

 

It's an interview with Mike sweers!!!

 

I'm going all in twin turbo 5.0L hybrid is the only powertrain that would be a world beater great for towing/long range and really good mpg stamp it!!

 

They said 2 new GAS powertrain one of course be the twin turbo V6 and what the same V6 with hybrid and that will blow us away, ford has already done that think about it no diesel was confirmed so the only other one is a V8 either twin turbo or NA. And the 5.0 is used in Lexus vehicles already.. so slap on the 5.0 twin turbo with hybrid that would blow us away...

 

Ohk- Let talk Mpg- What’s a sufficient number for a full-size truck that’s a extended/Crew size 4x4 with more power than what’s offered today.

What’s not enough mpg?

Oh and Keep things in realm of reality And not the futuristic Jetsons

 

If your 2015 was so great, you'd keep it until 2030.

 

So which 2007 halfton gasser from another brand would still be on the road, let alone not have some or all of those issues?

 

Ooh, I wanna get in on the tangential banter!

To TundraLaw, I have worked with Fords for 14 years. I have owned my 2007 Nissan Titan for 12 of those years. Driving Fords at work has made me appreciate my under-loved Titan. It has been a far better truck than any of the Fords. We now have the '21 F-150's at work. Amazing truck, really as refined as a good car. I was almost impressed, until I open the upper glove box, and it wouldn't latch closed until later in the day. Oh, and every body panel (aluminum) looks like Earl Scheib has had a recovering addict pound them out. Also, the Coyote 5.0 and 10AT really do nothing for me. But....the real truth is that we have had significant issues with all of our Ford Trucks, F-150's thru F-550's. In 12 years of heavy abuse, my Titan has only needed a blower motor resistor, driver side power window motor, and just recently the front diff finally started seeping, and this is after years of off-roading abuse. My Ford's at work always surprise me with a check engine light, and when I take it in, I am without my work vehicle for at least a week. Sometimes they are taken from me for a recall. My Titan has never done any of that, and I've never had a recall either. We only keep our Fords for 2-3 years, and every one needs to see the dealer at least twice for mechanical defects. Never once for my Titan.

The reason I want to jump ship from my 2007 Titan to a Gen 3 2022+ Tundra is that Nissan blatantly copied Ford for Gen 2 Titan, so when people say the F series are being copied, there's lot's of truth to it.

My other opinion is about the complaining of the infotainment being like a "stuck on tablet". I bought my wife a 2020 Corolla Hatchback, and it has the "tablet" style infotainment. First off, it is NOT blocking anyone's view, in fact, despite looking like it "sticks up" it doesn't even intrude into the hood cowl/wiper area, let alone your line of sight. I think it looks quite good. I also have a Q60 with the screens in the dash, and TBH I find both just fine. I like the Toyota way just fine, and I don't see why everyone gets laser-focused on hating it.

I expect the next Tundra to be VERY good. I also am not looking forward to paying the typical full-size truck transaction prices. I can see a new Tundra easily getting deep into the $50's for a lower level 4x4.
My main concern is, will Toyota finally offer a locking rear diff? I have one in my Titan and it really transforms the truck off-road.
Also, is Toyota going to make a King cab/extended cab version with a TRD package? Or, are they going to say "eff it" and only provide the nicer versions of their trucks in Crew Cab only? That would suck for me, we no longer need a Crew Cab.

Lastly, the new TTV6 is supposedly an "engine out" affair in the new LS. Basically, what used to be able to be done on older LS's may now require engine removal. With a larger chassis, will this be an issue with the Tundra? At my work, F-250 and up are often "cab-off" with the issues we have.

 

More Tundra - Less Ford

 

Try reading my post again before getting all huffy.

 

You're still comparing a $55k Platinum to a $70k Ram Limited or Big Horn or whatever it is, aren't you?

 

And this has been my point about Toyota fans saying how reliable they are. Of course they are. I am sure if Ford was still making the same truck for 14 years it would be more reliable than most as well. So to me its not impressive, it is just expected and they sell to the people that only care about pure reliability and nothing else. Now a company that could make something that constantly keeps up with new tech and could be very reliable would be impressive. Toyota does not attempt this and that is the attraction for most. But a lot of people want the new tech, comfort, and performance. Apparently more people want that than just pure reliability. I am saying that based on sales numbers.

 

That drivetrain in the Lexus gets 33mpg. Who really believes this stuff?

 

We have seen the tundra hood. Go a few more pages back.

not snippy at all, just responding to the naysayers. I’ve been a tundra owner since 2017 until now.

 

This right here!! Exactly.

Toyota knocks off Ford at every turn, but instead of shelling out for the level of R&D needed for modern day advancements, they give you last gen trickle down Lexus products. Y’all know why Toyota is the most profitable/richest car brand right— they sell you hand-me-down engineering and call it overengineered.

 

The powerboost does it for me. I hear you. I’m a 2-3 year truck owner. Makes financial sense for my line of work, and taxes. Don’t need something to run for 10 years at a time, and I’d rather not pay for a less developed product in exchange for perceived longevity,