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2022 Tundra

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by 0.S.T., Apr 6, 2020.

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Who has actually used the front tow hooks?

  1. Never

    204 vote(s)
    52.6%
  2. 1-5 times

    111 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. More than 5 times

    45 vote(s)
    11.6%
  4. Almost daily

    7 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. I'm an off-roader and definitely need it.

    28 vote(s)
    7.2%
  6. I mall crawl

    17 vote(s)
    4.4%
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  1. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:24 AM
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    AggiePhil

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    BS. No V8 and the frame is literally held together with glue. Toyota has completely buckled under pressure from various governments. I'll keep my 2020 Tundra.
     
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  3. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:39 AM
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    LOL did you watch the Land Cruiser premier? "Structural adhesives" being used in place of welds "to save weight." SMH
     
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    pretty common in the avation world to glue things together. Polaris also uses it on their snowmobiles.
     
  5. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:49 AM
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    F1 car designs don't use metal welding for anything as most of what an F1 car is made of is graphite and a little titanium.
    We be talking trucks and I'm not aware of any adhesive that could hold a heavy metal frame together in repeated twisting motions.
    Military? nothing glued together that is responsible frame wise for ground going vehicles.
     
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    Exactly, which is the industry I'm currently in. I was also a robotic Engineer for Toyota Manufacturing in my past life. "Structural Adhesives" have been used in body weld for decades. Your 2020 Tundra @Ellis_McPickle is full of "Structural Adhesive"... Oh the horror! lol
     
  7. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:52 AM
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    [​IMG]
     
  8. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:54 AM
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    HEY!! :(
     
  9. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:55 AM
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    You laugh, but I'd had one repair and two TSB's applied to my '13 F150 by the time I'd had 2K miles on it.
     
  10. Jun 9, 2021 at 11:56 AM
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    I've had family members replace GM transmissions on multiple vehicles in that time frame.
     
  11. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:01 PM
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    Exactly. I see LOTS of folks here braggin about trading their 2 or 3-year-old truck for a brand new one. Not even close to being out of powertrain warranty, and Toyota has their fair share of recalls, just like everyone else. Not saying I wouldn't necessarily buy a Toyota if I was in that camp, but as you said, the reliability becomes much less of a factor.
     
  12. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:07 PM
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  13. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:10 PM
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    I think it's save to assume the Tundra is getting the newly announced TTV6. So that's 1, I'm curious what the other is.
     
  14. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:16 PM
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    I speculate a higher torque hybrid variant.
     
  15. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:18 PM
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    Agreed, I would guess that would be used for the Lx as well.
     
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    Thanks for the intelligent discussion.

    We could probably point-counterpoint all day. As much as I would enjoy that, for the sake of not further derailing this thread and frustrating our fellow readers, I’ll gracefully bow out.

    Thanks again.
     
  17. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:29 PM
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    For comparison:
    Ford TT3.5l 375 hp / 470 lb-ft
    Toyota TT3.5l 409 hp / 480 lb-ft
    Ford TT3.5l HO 450 hp / 510 lb-ft
     
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  18. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:29 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Not very impressed with what I see for the 300 Series Land Cruiser reveal. At least what we’re getting from it. The truck variant of Toyota’s 3.5L TTV6 is nothing noteworthy or class leading in my view.

    Pretty clear Toyota spent their R&D $$$ on the new 3.3L diesel TTV6, that does have class leading performance in the 3L class of light duty diesels. Makes sense, the Diesel engine is a stronger seller in most of the LC markets.
     
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  19. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:36 PM
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    This looks like the same hood in the photo Toyota put out a couple weeks ago of the new Tundy.

    upload_2021-6-9_15-35-57.jpg
     
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  20. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    There’s also a Ford 3.5L EcoBoost for the 2021 F-150 making 400hp / 500lb-ft.
     
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    Hybrid version of that engine?
     
  22. Jun 9, 2021 at 12:55 PM
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    Because I was inverted.
    Call it, Friendo.
    That's certainly my guess.
     
  23. Jun 9, 2021 at 1:13 PM
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    Lovetrucks understood what I meant. The fuel savings in the Tundra should be greater going from a 5.7 to a 3.5 engine vrs the Ford going from 5.0 to 3.5. Comparatively speaking fuel economy is going to be close between the Ford and Toyota TT 3.5s if they are similarly equipped and geared. But overall the difference between the 2021 And 2022 Tundra is going to be a big increases in FE, whereas the F150 really isn’t a big difference between their V8 and TT V6 due to smaller displacement in their V8.
     
  24. Jun 9, 2021 at 1:22 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Just for my own entertainment I decided to do some math!

    horsepower = torque X RPM / 5252

    So here goes some comparisons on what we know so far or from leaked documents.

    Toyota 3.5L Twin Turbo gasoline V6 for the Land Cruiser makes 409hp @5200 RPM according to leaked documents, and 479lb-ft from 2000-3600 RPM.

    Let’s calculate some stuff!

    At 5200 RPM that engine is making 413.1lb-ft of torque. Kind of begs the question why shut it down at only 5200 RPM? Maybe a nod to turbocharger longevity? Not that critical though, how often do any of us peg our Tundras off the fuel cut off?

    If you want to know how much power you actually use under boost at normal engine operating speeds where the vast majority of us actually use an engine here is what we know:

    479lb-ft @2000-3600 RPM = 182.4hp @2000 RPM and 328.3hp @3600 RPM.

    For comparison the 5.7L 3UR-FE makes 381hp @5600 RPM and 401lb-ft @3600 RPM.

    So it’s hanging onto 357.3lb-ft @5600 RPM, and making 274.9hp @3600 RPM at peak torque.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    For all the members here who may not care for a diesel, that 3.3L Twin Turbo V6 diesel has some merits. Keep in mind engine operating speeds, and where we actually “live” with our trucks. They’re trucks not sports cars.

    3.3L TTV6 Toyota Diesel:

    304hp @4000 RPM = 399.2lb-ft @4000 RPM

    516lb-ft @1600-2600 RPM = 157.2hp @1600 RPM and 255.4hp @2600 RPM.

    For comparison the Toyota gas 3.5L TTV6 makes less power at those engine speeds. For example 479lb-ft @2600 RPM = 237.1hp @2600 RPM.

    So in the day to day operating range for many of us the diesel makes more power.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Now for the reason I’m not super impressed with Toyota’s numbers compared to the competition.

    Keep in mind that I do very much value the Toyota reputation for quality, durability, and longevity. I’ve had my truck for almost 14 years to prove that point.

    That said, I don’t see world beating power here in the 3.5L TTV6.

    The Ford EcoBoost 3.5L for 2021 makes 400hp @6000 RPM and 500lb-ft @3000 RPM.

    400hp @6000 RPM = 350.1lb-ft @6000 RPM

    500lb-ft @3000 RPM = 285.6hp @3000 RPM

    For comparison the Toyota at the same engine speed as the Ford peak torque gives this:

    479lb-ft @3000 RPM = 273.6hp @3000 RPM.

    In years past Ford provided a flat torque rating over a wide operating range like Toyota is stating for their new engine. So I have no reason to doubt that the Ford unit is making close to that 500lb-ft earlier and later in the operating speed range as well. So at normal operating speeds the Ford is likely to still have a power advantage.

    The Ford PowerBoost Hybrid looks like this:

    430hp @6000 RPM = 376.4lb-ft @6000 RPM

    570lb-ft @3000 RPM = 325.6hp @3000 RPM.
     
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    Low numbers = high resale for V8 amirite?
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    I don’t think the V8 trucks are going to plummet in value regardless.
     
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    True but we can wish for it all we want but ain’t going to happen in the US for regulatory reasons.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Sad but true.
     
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