2022 Tundra

This was true in the days of singular technology.

the current 5.7 in a tundra is more powerful than big blocks of the old days

 

Twin turbo v6 Lexus proven! I don’t think there will be reliably issues with the power plant! This is the only true “known” about the 2022 model. The Toyota hybrid system also is the Gold standard and will only help with the power train reliability. Comparing it to a FORD turbo V6 is just..

 

The Ecoboost isn't the only turbo out there - there's lots of examples out there including the Lexus lineup. But the one I like to compare since they do similar work is HD diesels - each one has a turbo on it, and the engines/turbos in all 3 are not the failure point. It's to the point with them now that a diesel engine without a turbo is quite rare (it may not exist even, I personally can't think of one) in a road vehicle.

 

That's because the only guys who will drive non- turbocharged diesels are true masochists.

 

I may be wrong but the tundra in this picture seems to have power side steps.




Here in the second picture, you can clearly see the side step brackets similar to the one from AMP Research.

Go to the link from Motor1.com and zoom in right on the driver-side door. You'll see those folding brackets clearly.

 

I've heard the new Tundra will have an optional bidet for all they whiney asses in this thread. A stream of warm water will blast the anus controlled by a button on the steering wheel.

Still no transmission cooler though....

 

Butt, wouldn't I feel so much "fresher" in a $91,000 TRX?

 

Two years of a TT V6 sedan is a proven track record that applies to a 1/2 ton that will tow up to double it's own weight? An apples to oranges comparison that we can infer risks a lot of us won't take.

I'm hoping Toyota is successful and has a TT V6 that makes 500(+) torque and 500(+) HP, with 30mpg highway. But, it will take a decade before we see enough of them hit mileage numbers to know if they are as reliable as the trucks they're rolling out of the plant today.

I'm not old enough to remember the last time we had such a drastic change in powerplants to comply with new federal emissions guidelines, but I grew up with the sh** it left in it's wake. It was the early 70s and it destroyed the quality and reliability of vehicles manufactured in the U.S. for the next three decades. We went from iconic vehicles to total crap for 3 decades. Not saying it's going to happen, just saying history tends to repeat itself.

Imagine being that guy that traded in his '67-'71 GTO on the all new '73. I'm not interested in being that guy.

 

Compared to that choked down cheaply built 70’s-90’s shit had no potential! um yeah I remember! That’s what put Toyota on the map!

https://vftuner.com/blogs/news/toyota-lexus-v35a-fts-twin-turbo-engine-can-it-be-tuned-yes

 

So why were only American vehicles affected? If I understand correctly, that's when Japanese vehicles really started to come into their own in terms of quality and reliability.

My dad loved his 1974 Firebird, even though it only made 190 hp from its 400 cubic inch engine and was slower than my grandpa's Delta 88. It was much better than his 1980 Firebird.

 

FWIW, the guys at the dealership I was at last week claimed these numbers were accurate. They said the Sequoia will be getting the same treatment next year.

 

Amen to this!

I had 2 1970 Olds' one with a 350 and the other the 454 Rocket V8 and remember all too well when the new "Economy" cars hit the floors and I mean HIT too!
Those were just terrible underpowered but still crazy heavy bricks of crap all around and thankfully these have vanished from our landscape forever only to be reborn occasionally by ideas like this one,sticking a V6 in a full size truck as the only option.

My Cutlass had the 350 V8 which was the small motor!

Of course Gas also sold for .14 cents before the fall too so there was that but still waiting on lines for hours to get some Gas so I could keep playing around,those were the days!

My Olds 98 LS even had a Bar in the back seat complete with Oldsmobile provided Crystal barware and a flip up Mirror for some reason too!
They actually promoted Drinking in the car back then!?!

Huge,Terrible mileage,That thing could Fly and a Bar too!

That was a Car!

 

Some have a terrible time with change. It's enevitably.

 

assuming it’s a turbo 5.0 from Lexus and an 8 or 10 spd...

Toyota has been working on this 2022 for likely 4-5 years.

all oems right now are working on platforms 5 years into future.

I’m sure the platform will be thoroughly tested and proven.

I’d be willing to bet Toyota had a long term test of a 5.0 turbo in the current truck platform. Oems also do this too where they put a engine and transmission combo in older units for long term testing.

as much of a Toyota nerd I am, I have to admit that the only thing drawing customers to tundra is reliability. Screw this up and see ya. Disastrous doesn’t even scratch the surface.

car and truck shoppers are very eager to adopt new tech and take risk on reliability. Reliability only sells if it’s head, shoulder, both legs above competition.

 

Toyota has always been a very conservative company. They will sit back and watch others offer new features and tech and see what fails and what works. Saves them a lot of $$. Unpopular and unreliable tech can hurt your reputation as a manufacture.

 

European imports mostly sucked too. Japanese imports were reliable because they were already cranking out small, underpowered engines for their own market that now fit right in to the American market. AS MTRock said, it gave the Japanese automakers their chance to dive right in to the American market after previously just getting their toes wet.

 

Change is inevitable, but it should be allowed to occur organically through market forces. Allow fuel prices, affordability, reliability, convenience, comfort and performance in the presence of competition to dictate innovation and progress. That's how you come up with the Prius. When change is mandated and/or subsidized by bureaucrats, thats when you get the Chevy Volt.

 

Capitalism ultimately decides market change. Government only has a very slight influence.

If they don't want it they aren't going to buy it.

 

I do recall masses of half ton owners celebrating getting the 6-banger they always wanted in their fullsize pickup.

 

The Ford V6 EcoBoost outsells the V8. Ford sold 589,000 trucks in the US in 2020 making it the number one seller of any vehicle model. Toyota sold 86,000 Tundras in 2020.

If consumers didn't want a V6 TT in their trucks then F150 sales would have fallen. They didn't and makes it obvious why Toyota is going the V6 TT direction.

 

Lets be honest. We all love the power of the 5.7. Its truly awesome with such a heavy truck even. But as a former 4.6 owner, and a V6 silverado.....99% of our driving could be done with a non turbo V6. The turbo is straight bonus. And if they de tune it, makes it more reliable

 

Personally I think the 4.30 gear is as much of a rockstar as the 5.7.

Combined it is soooo nice to drive.

 

Agreed. I think thats the hardest thing to put on paper about a V8 vs a V6(even turbo’d versions). The off idle, low rpm snap of a solid v8(like the 5.7) is soooo much more satisfying then a turbo lagged v6, although the turbo motor ultimately makes more power.

Hopefully the hybrid fills in the gap.

 

A twin turbo shouldnt have as much lag if it has a low rpm and a high rpm turbo. They should be more smooth

 

That is an assumption from a snapshot of info you provided. Over 1/3 of those Ford #'s are fleet sales, of which the only option is ecoboost v6. Toyota does not do fleet sales. Toyota's decision to go v6 is most heavily influenced by ever tightening gov efficiency regulations.

 

When I drove an eco boost, I didn't notice any turbo lag at all. The twin turbo really helps out with the lag, the eco boost's torque comes on much quicker than the v8's. My wife has a 4 cylinder turbo in her Lexus NX. You would never know you were driving a turbo.

 

I don't have a clue on how many F150s are sold in fleet sales but even if I give you 1/3 that still leaves 393,000 F150s sold to the public. I dont have the info on how many of those are V6TT but we do know more than half. Quick calculation that there are more than 196,000 V6TT sold compared to 86,000 V8 Tundras. Realistically more than three times as many.

There are many reasons that a V6TT is going in the Tundra and not just emission regulations. Some of the reasons I can think of, performance, fuel economy, lighter weight, efficiency, market demand, production costs and emissions.

 

Have to agree with this, electric is well, technically a 0 displacement motor, produces more torque that is immediately available. As these motors are refined and progress the already substantial gap will widen.

 

Anyone who honestly believes that the 5.7 lags less than an ecoboost has never driven one before.

The tundra is a dog, especially at any meaningful elevation gain.

 

From a stop the Tundra feels quicker at least for a moment, from any rolling speed the ecoboost was more robust. Elevation always highlights the issue with NAs.