2022 Tundra

I'm still waiting to hear the specs on the 2022, I came close to a buying a trail boss with the 6.2/10 speed but the rear window leaks ruined it for me

 

Just get one with the fixed rear window.

 

They’re still having rear window problems ?

 

TLDR- All in all I am fairly impressed with my new 5.3 Silverado work rig. With GM redesigning again the interiors of their trucks I absolutely would take a look at a new 6.2L TrailBoss / AT4 or Denali / High Country.

Since a few guys have mentioned the new GM trucks. I got a new work rig this week. 2021 Chevy 4x4 crew with the 5.3L, not sure what package, but does have some decent amenities (proximity entry, push button start, heated steering wheel and seats, etc).

The good:
- New updated 5.3 with the 10 speed feels LIGHT YEARS better than my previous work rig (17 Tahoe with the last 5.3 and 6 speed). Not quite the low end of my 5.7 Tundra, but mid and high end feel stronger and faster. Lol, I’m sure I’ll end up drag racing them to find out.

- Doing the same daily driving that I do in my Tundra, the new truck gets right at 20mpg (stock all seasons). My Tundra gets low to mid 15’s (33” Cooper AT3 XLT’s), and my old Tahoe got mid 18’s (33” BFG KO2’s).

- New dash and interior is well laid out, and I like having the actual buttons / knobs for all the controls. Still not a fan of column shifter. Visibility is great, and road noise is minimal.

The bad:
- Stock basic 4x4 suspension, but wow is it bad. Feels fine on smooth roads, but any pot holes / curbs / speed bumps / frost heaves / bridge transitions send the thing bouncing like a pogo stick. It’s like the shocks aren’t dampened at all. Feels like multiple more cycles of compression / rebound after going over any bumps.

- Steering feels somewhat heavy. Not sure why. It has the stock all seasons on it, and they are inflated to spec. Makes the truck feel and drive bigger than what it is. Not terrible, just my Tundra feels much lighter and easier.

- Fairly subjective, but the interior still feels cheap and plastic. Clicks when pushing buttons, lever pulls, covers, etc, all don’t feel super solid.

- Stock stereo isn’t bad, but would not call it good either. Stock stereo in my Tahoe sounded better. But to be fair, both are incomparably better than the stock premium JBL garbage that my Platinum Tundra had.

 

akmerle,, any leaks on the rear headliner or window?

Ya now the gm thread is over 215 pages.

I would but I'm still not sure if the spoiler/brake light wing is causing leaks too

 

a full hybrid towing? lol ya right, range will totally suck

just stick to the V8 or if we have to give up our V8, the Turbo hybrid, I want to be able to pump gas so I can go 600 miles in a day in rural areas

 

I’m really hoping this problem is solved. No sign of a rear window leak on mine yet, been watching for it.

 

F150 hybrid does the same fuel mileage as the 5.0 V8 and 3.5 V6TT, so if it gets the same fuel tank it'll go the same distance.

Or do you mean a full EV? Cause yes, they don't have good towing range at the moment, still at 100 miles or so roughly for 8k lbs towing.

 

Does yours have the Bose stereo? Really enjoying mine, a serious upgrade over the JBL.

 

I haven't looked at that thread lately but I hadn't heard of anyone with the fixed rear window having a leak, despite the fact that the leak appears to be related to the spoiler in some way. Perhaps the combination of the spoiler and the sliding window.

 

I meant full plug in, I should have clarified. That was the last video up there about a full plug in, we are way far away from that, especially when you leave the city areas, the infrastructure for that alone is years away

 

All the talk of full electric vehicles everywhere... Look back at the power grids that couldn't handle everyone turning on their HVAC at once. Brown outs, black outs, and such. How do people think that a bunch of EVs is going to be feasible when our utility infrastructure can't handle the current load presented during basic home use?

Electric may eventually be feasible, but right now it just isn't there. Same reason that we aren't fully solar or wind powered. The tech CANNOT handle the consumption rates.

 

That's the disadvantage of getting the fixed rear window: you miss out on the good stereo and the backup camera you can actually see something in.

 

I am anxiously waiting for the official announcement of what the specs will be and then I will decide if I am going to by a 2021 or Hybrid/Prime/BZ Tundra.

 

I love the idea of a PHEV truck, like the Rav4 Prime. Give me enough electric-only range (60-80kms) that I can do my daily commute on electric only, but give me the powerful gas motor that's capable of pulling 10 000lbs for the weekend.

 

The thing that I think about is major power outages, we were without power for 3 weeks after Hurricane Hugo. There were long lines and rationing but we got gas but no power in neighborhood for 3 long weeks.

 

A direct injected 5.7 with a 10 speed would be great. And honestly, as much as you guys love the 4.30 rear end, it has a ton of parasitic drag. Plus the transmission won't let the thing coast down a hill. Having to give it gas to maintain speed going downhill has always blown my mind.

Going to a 3.73 or 3.55 rear gear with a 10 speed that will actually coast would probably add 3-4 mpg to the current 5.7.

 

Have the same issue in my wife's 4 speed Corolla.

 

I coast downhill all the time. Hell, I downshift to preserve my brakes going down long grades because she coasts faster than I'd like. Also, the 4.30 is part of what makes the truck move it's fat ass and gives it the grunt to tow. It's a dead horse, but if you want MPGs a Tundra is not for you. That simple.

 

Can I just get a like cuz we all own one of the finest trucks ever created ??! I mean ... I gave up a bulletproof 4Runner (later model and less miles) and pretty much lost money at every angle of the deal, just to enjoy the perfect blend of size and power again.

Still will absolutely check out the 2022. (with no plans of buy until at least 2025, or in a position to own both)

 

Think I might have posted it here before but someone told me the new GMs with the 10 speed and 3.42 have a lower first gear ratio than the Tundra. So you can do a lot with more gears in your transmission and still have a lower rear axle ratio for highway cruising.

 

I see all this talk about a 4.30 not being able to be fuel efficient - that's false. It's all about the RPM at the engine at that speed. The RPM that the engine will turn is a factor of the rear end ratio (4.30) and the transmission ratio. So Toyota could easily keep the 4.30 and increase fuel efficiency by changing the cruising speed gear from the current 0.588 6th to a 0.55 6th, don't even need more gears.

The reason a 4.30 is known to be worse at fuel mileage is it is compare to a rear gear with the same transmission. So with the same transmission a higher rear gear is worse for fuel economy, but with the right transmission gear ratios a 4.30 can require less engine rotation than a 3.23 as currently seen in other trucks.

With that being said it would be very smart on Toyota's end to keep the 4.30. I've seen too many posts on many forums where people say the Tundra has a 4.30 which is the best rear gear you can get for towing. It's not an apples to apples comparison looking at a Ram 3.23 to a Toyota 4.30, the transmissions have completely different ratios.

 

On the one hand, I'd be all about getting another 3-4MPG out of my truck.

With that said, I've driven through WV mountains every year for the last 15 years. The Tundra is the FIRST truck I've NOT had to hit the brakes on going down the mountains - I just put it in manual mode or let engine braking take care of it for me. I'd FAR rather have to hit the gas going downhill than constantly hit the brakes. Your mileage may vary, though.

 

Yeah, if you go get an MBA you will learn, at great length, about Toyota and their manufacturing process. Toyota is a HUGE deal in business especially manufacturing. Spend some time deep diving into it and you’ll be a convert to vertical integration and the Toyota way.

 

That's true, but it comes down to more than just the number of gears and the axle ratio. Start adding bigger tires (Like everybody always does) and the factory gearing isn't going to cut it anyway. It's all way more complex and convoluted than my idiot brain can manage, especially running on very little sleep! My point was just that there are already options that satisfy the MPG hunters. Let those of us that want what the Tundra is, have it.

 

I'd also argue a TM investment will pay off nicely in 20 yrs or so ...155/share is not too bad of a buy in. YMMV

 

I am constantly buying tm as a long term investment. And have integrated a lot of their business practices into my own business. I just wish they would make a hd truck so I stop having to deal with the big 3 for my service vehicles.

 

Man, if they had a 3/4 or 1 ton.......

 

With a PE ratio of just 15 in this insane market you might be right. That said it’s a mature manufacturing company so the big leaps on gains aren’t really there, baring some serious innovation. What I can’t figure out is why people value Tesla as a tech company with ridiculous PE ratios in the hundreds. It’s mind blowing. Then again I learned enough in business school to know how little I know about finance. I also learned that a trained chimp can pick stocks better than I can, so I stick with index funds.

 

Unit just picked up a 2021 diesel 3500 Chevy truck ..admit it looks a bit off with the looong bed, but that new car smell and materials seems decent (right now) curious how long before first problem ?? ..I'm going to guess it will be something electrical on it.