2022 Tundra

Look how many people think the new TTV6 tundra will have issues and it's not even out yet lol

 

i bet you can't wait until the V6TT is available. The tuning capabilities will be endless.

 

That’s quite the leap you’re making there. I was responding specifically to this claim, which is incorrect:

 

i just going to ignore you now because your just being a troll.

 

Haha, ok man. I thought you were trolling, making a blanket statement like that.

/derail

 

It's funny, the posts you put in back up that it's been done with testing, and the tech says the new fluid may just work better at these higher temps. There's just an unknown right now - Toyota engineers must swear that the higher temps are a good thing (lower resistance, so a way to increase fuel mileage)

One thing I'd like to know is what was the failure rate in prior years - it's a collection of a lot of moving mechanical pieces so there's bound to be some failure. How much has the failure rate increased with the removal of the cooler? To me it sounds like without the cooler they're pushing the boundaries and there is going to be the odd failure. Even if we get 100 people on here with failures that's likely an acceptable failure rate (100 of roughly 300000 sold). And that's one thing about forums, people with problems will likely go to them, but those with zero problems are most likely not going to show up, so the statistics are going to be skewed.

Unfortunately all mass produced car companies do not want perfection, they just want good enough. As long as Toyota doesn't go the Chrysler route of things breaking just after the warranty expires then at least it's manageable.

 

If you're referring to the anonymous Tundra engineer, they said that Toyota has seen defects in trucks from higher temps, even though the fluid is supposedly able to handle those temps.

What good is fluid that can handle 302ºF (or whatever insanely high temp the warning light actually comes on at) if the transmission itself can't?

The same anonymous Toyota engineer said the decision makes sense from a business and value engineering standpoint. To me, that means the people who originally designed it with an ext cooler did not make the final call. (Yes, I know what Mike Sweers said in that one video.)

You're right–we probably won't see very many failures, especially before warranties are up.

Both of these statements can be true:
Toyota will fix the ones that fail under warranty and still come out way ahead.
It was a poor engineering decision.

 

Don’t test drive the one I’m gonna buy. I want as few of miles as I can when I pick it up.

 

Definitely seems like an accountant decision - and when they asked the engineers they said that 'sure, you CAN do that', which is a lot different than 'you SHOULD do that'.

 

@hagrid is still awaiting the data on that. Do you happen to have any?

 

very excited.

When turbos are thrown in the mix, you can usually take the manufacturer specs horsepower/torque ratings and throw another 20-30% on top with a good tune and bolt ons.

considering I have a set of V35A Turbos here in my shop and I have the calibration already........... I'm thinking 500+ ft lbs at 1600 RPM is achievable easy

 

Wasn't calling you a troll, just saying that most of the people on the forum are gonna be fans.

SPP

 

You're talking dirty now

 

With the chip shortage and Toyota seemingly having difficulty getting enough 2021's to market wouldn't it make more sense for them to simply keep on producing the 2020 model this fall rather than
try to tool up for a brand new model?...
I wouldn't mind another shot at getting a TRD Pro

 

Nah...gotta have looks too. I saw that new Ford mustang looking suv the other day....ugly as hell.

 

On the other hand it would probably be the best time to retool. Instead of a normal year where they shut down 100% production they can shut down when it's only at 50% (or whatever it is).

 

I have faith in they will design a good looking truck. I don’t have faith they will put the right engine in it. I think they are competing for the soccer dads not people that actually use trucks

 

Not all of us, though. Bought my truck last year in March, and it's already > 1/2 paid off. It should fully be paid off at the end of this year.

 

Your last truck was a 2013. So you're keeping your vehicles twice as long as the average person if you keep that up.

 

I paid of my 2020 very soon after buying it and will be considering the new Tundra. I absolutely hate debt.

 

Man. I too was young and dumb. Not to get all philosophical but, growing up I had nothing, came from nothing, food stamps, trailer, all that. The recurring dream item I wanted was a brand new reliable ride. As soon as I was working full time, that's what I did. And it cost me for a little bit

 

Ford is absolutely competing for people who use trucks - just not with the F150, they have the F250 - F450 for that. That's why Toyota is going to get stuck in the middle - can't go full out for comfort and fuel mileage but can't go full out for payload/towing. They're going to have to very careful they don't go after the middle too much and do neither very well, have to pick one and go for it and try to get the other as much as possible without sacrificing their main target.

The big question is what is their true target - the volume half ton crowd that really should be in cars and wants comfort/fuel mileage or the truck people who want capability. My personal opinion is the Tundra should be going hard after the second, then tune the Sequoia different and go for the first but have more trims. Change is from a premium SUV to a higher end one that has all the trims the Tundra does, but give it much softer suspension and focus the drivetrain on fuel mileage as I doubt many would care if the tow ratings on the Sequoia were 5k lbs or more below the Tundra.

 

I like your thinking and I completely agree. I actually just traded in my tundra on a HD truck. I love the half and think the tundra is the best out there but like you said everyone is using the 1/2 ton market as the dad minivan. So I’m jumping up and still waiting patiently for the tundra release.

 

Well, TBH, I'm paying it off ASAP on the outside chance that I can get a halfway decent deal on the 2022/2023. But you're right - in general, I keep my vehicles for anywhere from 7-10 years.

 

Anyone think they will put more options in the mid tier trim for example including the power rear window?

 

I assume you're talking about the DC.

 

It would seem like they could accomplish both with the Tundra if they would offer more than one engine option and offer an optional payload/tow package like ford does with rear locker, heavy duty radiator, maybe trans cooler etc. One thing Ford does is have a lot of configurations and cab/bed sizes for their 1/2 ton regardless of people's opinions of the brand itself.

Then they could do with the Sequoia like Ford did with the Navigator/Expedition and have only one engine option, but they also offer tow packages for those. If they had a long wheelbase Sequoia XL like a Suburban, I would probably buy it.

 

The more I think about this, the more I wonder if they're trying to gradually kill off the Tundra by offering fewer and fewer powertrain options every year. Or maybe just trying to maximize the profits? But none of the other halftons only have one engine or rear axle ratio.

 

I thought the Crew Max Platinum was the only trim that had the power rear window. I just looked it up and did not realize that all Crew Max trims have it... but yeah I was talking about DC.... lol

 

I hate debt as well, but the money I could pay mine off with is making 30%+ in my investments right now. As long as I have the discipline to pay it off when my investments cool off, I'm crazy to pay any more than the minimum payment each month.